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Q: How Do You See the League Adapting to the New Superteam Trend?

Masai: I think it’s a trending league. There are trends happening that come and go. At one point it was the high school players, at another time it was international players and at some point it was the Big Three. A new trend is probably going to come soon.

The point is, and the challenge is, how do you create that new trend? We can’t all sit here and get Big Threes or a stud European player. We all have to create new ways.

When I can’t sleep, I’m thinking what it is that I can do to build a team and make our team successful through all these different trends. It's a great thing and it’s great to continue to have it, but I guarantee something else is going to come up, that’s how quick-minded these GMs are.[/i]

It’s not like superstars are everywhere. We talk about Big Threes, but you can only have a few sets of Big Threes. Where are we going to find the other guys? There are 30 teams. I’ll tell you what, these guys are so smart and competitive, it’s a war out there. Nobody is sitting down and waiting for anybody. Everybody is trying to build their team and trying to build winning programs.

Q: How Did the New CBA Factor into the Offseason?

Masai: On a general level, you want to do your due diligence with how much you are spending. It varies from team to team, on the kind of players you like and how you want to build your team.

If you’re talking about my team, right now we’re in the state, with me obviously just getting the job, of studying the team and figuring it out as we go. So this means there was not a lot of long-term spending.

If you’re talking about my team, right now we’re in the state, with me obviously just getting the job, of studying the team and figuring it out as we go. So this means there was not a lot of long-term spending.

NBA GMs' Takeaways from Landmark 2013 Offseason | Bleacher Report

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i think the new trend will be the indiana model. There are a lot more medium and small market teams than huge market teams and they will try to follow that sensible, slow build. Not making too many changes, just slowly building with high character, young guys and if you're lucky you get a guy like david west to add to the mix.

teams like lakers, knicks, nets will continue to overpay and dominate the FA market, it may work at times, i hope and pray we'll continue to see howard type problems of lack of team chemistry and identity.

there's been a lot of debate on here about building "treadmill" teams and building "contenders," but i for one would love to see lots of solid, young teams appearing in the playoffs, including toronto.
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After the big three thing plays out because of the cap and tax, my guess is the next trend will be building through the draft, the best management of the cap and being able to sign players cheap. Getting Euro players for a steal, finding diamonds in the rough basically for small contracts.

Hockey used to be about trading draft picks for established players, with players being valuable and picks being cheap. In the last few years the value of those draft picks has gone through the roof, with expensive older players being cheaper and being easier to trade for or even bought out. Same will happen in the NBA if the new tax proves close to as effecitve as the NHL hard cap.
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After the big three thing plays out because of the cap and tax, my guess is the next trend will be building through the draft, the best management of the cap and being able to sign players cheap. Getting Euro players for a steal, finding diamonds in the rough basically for small contracts.

Hockey used to be about trading draft picks for established players, with players being valuable and picks being cheap. In the last few years the value of those draft picks has gone through the roof, with expensive older players being cheaper and being easier to trade for or even bought out. Same will happen in the NBA if the new tax proves close to as effecitve as the NHL hard cap.
People have been saying to build through the draft for quite some time. It's nothing new.
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People have been saying to build through the draft for quite some time. It's nothing new.
You're hilarious.

Not my point, it was about the value of picks.. The way to win now is sign 3 big players is it not? Or is it only the draft? In the NHL, the premium placed on picks makes it the only way to build now (yes there's always exceptions to the rule). Since you need cheap players to fill out the roster, older vets are retiring earlier than before. Put it this way, in the NHL now you never would have traded a good first round pick for someone like Lowry making 6 mil with only 2 years left. I think the NBA will not see trading good picks as much anymore like there has been a rash of in past years... unless Colangelo gets another job.

A better farm system with more depth than the d league seems to be a way some teams should be going too.

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You're hilarious.

Not my point, it was about the value of picks.. The way to win now is sign 3 big players is it not? Or is it only the draft? In the NHL, the premium placed on picks makes it the only way to build now (yes there's always exceptions to the rule). Since you need cheap players to fill out the roster, older vets are retiring earlier than before. Put it this way, in the NHL now you never would have traded a good first round pick for someone like Lowry making 6 mil with only 2 years left. I think the NBA will not see trading good picks as much anymore like there has been a rash of in past years... unless Colangelo gets another job.

A better farm system with more depth than the d league seems to be a way some teams should be going too.
My point is, you're saying it's the next trend. Yet it's been a trend for a long time. And comparing the NHL to the NBA is ridiculous, two completely different situations and completely different salary structure. 6mil player in the NHL is all-star type of money. In the NBA a good player making 6mil is a bargain. A 6mil dollar player in the NBA is 3-4mil in the NHL, would GM's trade a 11-13th pick in the NHL for a borderline all-star making 3-4mil?

And the NBA doesn't have a "farm system"........never understood that term. lol
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My point is, you're saying it's the next trend. Yet it's been a trend for a long time. And comparing the NHL to the NBA is ridiculous, two completely different situations and completely different salary structure. 6mil player in the NHL is all-star type of money. In the NBA a good player making 6mil is a bargain. A 6mil dollar player in the NBA is 3-4mil in the NHL, would GM's trade a 11-13th pick in the NHL for a borderline all-star making 3-4mil?

And the NBA doesn't have a "farm system"........never understood that term. lol
Not to mention the amount of positions in hockey would require draft picks to be a bigger deal than the NBA. A lot more holes to fill needing people to step up, always a rookie or 2 even on the good teams.
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My point is, you're saying it's the next trend. Yet it's been a trend for a long time. And comparing the NHL to the NBA is ridiculous, two completely different situations and completely different salary structure. 6mil player in the NHL is all-star type of money. In the NBA a good player making 6mil is a bargain. A 6mil dollar player in the NBA is 3-4mil in the NHL, would GM's trade a 11-13th pick in the NHL for a borderline all-star making 3-4mil?

And the NBA doesn't have a "farm system"........never understood that term. lol
It has a D-league, which could be improved by forward thinking teams to grow better cheap talent (there use to be more than 2 rounds to the draft didn't there?) which was something I could see happening again.

You don't understand the reference to growing/farming players? Ok.
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After the big three thing plays out because of the cap and tax, my guess is the next trend will be building through the draft, the best management of the cap and being able to sign players cheap. Getting Euro players for a steal, finding diamonds in the rough basically for small contracts.

Hockey used to be about trading draft picks for established players, with players being valuable and picks being cheap. In the last few years the value of those draft picks has gone through the roof, with expensive older players being cheaper and being easier to trade for or even bought out. Same will happen in the NBA if the new tax proves close to as effecitve as the NHL hard cap.
The NBA's soft cap, with its loopholes/exceptions, is designed for limited effectiveness on salary growth. The owners are as afraid of a hard cap as the players.

It is unreasonable to compare the practices, processes and operations of the NBA business model/structure to the NHL's at the present time, maybe in 10 years or so when the NBA owners fully fund and support a minor league system.
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i think the next trend is going to be long range jump shooting 7 footers. We should get one of those.
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i think the next trend is going to be long range jump shooting 7 footers. We should get one of those.
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the new trend is probably the heavy use of technology and advanced analytics, but we appear to be at the crest of that wave. Not sure how useful will that be until coaches get on board with the program. Didn't seem to work that well for Morey whose draft picks and trades were kind of a hit and miss until he got lucky with harden falling into his lap.

as for things like superteams and the indiana model, these are not new by any stretch, in fact, superteams were the norm in the past when there were fewer teams and a higher concentration of stars. And the Indiana model (called as such only on this forum I would think), that is the typical strategy chosen by poorer franchises that have to try to be as competitive as they can every season to generate enough revenues.
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I think the player-contrived superteam era continues, each player taking a little less because it is worth more in the end. Maybe breaking up and re-forming elsewhere. And other teams who have ownership with no concern for money continuing to spend.
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Indiana model is great but it still hasn't proven to be a championship model

I'm not sure if that's the way to go

i like the big three system

which starts with one big, and either any option of a 1,2 or 3, like the heat who have a great 2, and 3, and the spurs who got a 1, and 2 during their championship run and now a 1,3, and 5

with Jonas in place the big is covered, and now rudy gay in place its a great place to start, if we somehow manage to swing a trade with derozan, lowry, and draft picks to add that difference maker to make our own big 3 would be the right way to go

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I'm ready to just see how our starting 5 can get together & start winning!!!
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