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Old 02-21-2012, 06:42 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I'm probably one of the only ones, but I think Marvin could be a 15 ppg starter with very good D if he's more involved in an offence. Dude has a lot of talent, but I think the situation in ATL plus him not having a really aggressive killer type attitude has held him back from reaching his potential. He can hit the 3, drive, hit the pullup 15 footer, play really good defence, and rebound, but I think like many players, he just sometimes zones out of games if he's not involved in the offence. It's human nature a lot of the time really.

I for one would love if we got him for cheap. Whats his contract like anyway
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:52 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Whats his contract like anyway
This season he is making $7.5 mill

Next year $8.3 mill

2013-2014 $7.5 mill - player option

To put his salary in context, that's Barbosa money.

It's worth noting that, if he came to Toronto and played well next season, he might just decline to pick up his player option and go back on the market as an FA.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:02 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I wouldn't mind Williams in Toronto. He would be worth a look at SF. He rebounds well for the position, and his outside shooting has improved significantly.

Amir for Williams would be a fair trade. JJ and Kleiza could be the backups at the 3 and 4 spots, and they'll still get a lot of minutes.

Maybe something like Amir + Barbosa for Williams + salary cap dump + ATL's 1st-round pick could be negotiated.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:15 PM   #25 (permalink)
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This season he is making $7.5 mill

Next year $8.3 mill

2013-2014 $7.5 mill - player option

To put his salary in context, that's Barbosa money.

It's worth noting that, if he came to Toronto and played well next season, he might just decline to pick up his player option and go back on the market as an FA.
Wow Atlanta is terrible. Yeah pass on Williams unless we do it for Barbosa.

If only Batum liked us. He'd be such a perfect fit.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:43 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:24 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I actually like this!
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:57 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I actually like this!
I don't. Calderon is a better player than Hinrich right now. IMO, Williams and Amir are a wash. So Atlanta makes out on the better end of the deal. Plus, Atlanta doesn't really need Calderon with Teague and Johnson in the backcourt. If they deal Williams, they might want a SF back, possibly asking for Kleiza.

They could be interested in Barbosa because they need a scorer off the bench. If they get Barbosa, they might be willing to part with Hinrich. So you could be looking at the following deal:

Williams + Hinrich for Johnson + Barbosa.

And if the Raptors can get Hinrich, that will enable them to deal Calderon for the best possible return and not have to worry about getting a PG back.
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Old 02-21-2012, 10:08 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I don't like Marvin Williams. He's like the next player from the Jonathan Bender school of "he's been in the league for 10 years and he's still an up and coming player." I actually like what James Johnson brings to the table more.

At $7.8 Million/yr over the next 3 years (avg) I'd stay away.
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Old 02-21-2012, 10:18 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I don't like Marvin Williams. He's like the next player from the Jonathan Bender school of "he's been in the league for 10 years and he's still an up and coming player." I actually like what James Johnson brings to the table more.

At $7.8 Million/yr over the next 3 years (avg) I'd stay away.
He's 25yrs old. Do you think we should have given up on Bargnani at 25? Most had to be honest. Williams does three things we need more of, he defends, shoots the ball with range and can create his his own shot. I'm not saying we should get him but he'd be an upgrade imo. I'd rather have Wilson Chandler or Batum but this would be fine by me especially in a trade scenario where we can still maintain our cap flexibility. I don't think BC sees JJ or Kleiza as our future starters at all. He's discussed getting a starting SF for next season and he's also discussed getting a SG and starting DD at SF.
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Old 02-21-2012, 11:49 PM   #31 (permalink)
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He's 25yrs old. Do you think we should have given up on Bargnani at 25? Most had to be honest. Williams does three things we need more of, he defends, shoots the ball with range and can create his his own shot. I'm not saying we should get him but he'd be an upgrade imo. I'd rather have Wilson Chandler or Batum but this would be fine by me especially in a trade scenario where we can still maintain our cap flexibility. I don't think BC sees JJ or Kleiza as our future starters at all. He's discussed getting a starting SF for next season and he's also discussed getting a SG and starting DD at SF.
we can have jj for 1/3 of that money, is marvin really that much of an upgrade?
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:05 AM   #32 (permalink)
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why not just wait for the draft and get a Harrison Barnes, Michael Gilchrist-Kidd, Terrence Jones or the other promising small forwards in the draft?
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Old 02-22-2012, 01:44 AM   #33 (permalink)
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i could never understand why this guy was rated so high in the draft, it didn't make sense that a guy who didn't start in college could go higher than guys like deron williams and chris paul who were touted as high pg prospects in years when there was barely any good pgs

now there a shit ton of pgs
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:27 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I don't like jerky moves, but bringing Williams here looks intriguing. We can always reshuffle in the summer. I don't really like DeMar as a SF, so I would have Williams and JJ sharing the SF spot.
I would give Barbosa up for Williams, then maybe let Williams play at SG as well.
I'd be excited if we got him, and I can't think of any better deal/player before the deadline.
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:05 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Wow Atlanta is terrible. Yeah pass on Williams unless we do it for Barbosa.

If only Batum liked us. He'd be such a perfect fit.
Seeing Batum play SG last night makes me wish even harder.... Portland is a deep team on the wings, they even have Luke Babbit way down in the rotation.... not saying he's any good, but he was still a lottery pick.

Batum is a perfect fit here. Can play both wings, stretch the floor, lock down anybody and has great length and quickness for team defense. His age is also ideal... I'd suggest giving our first rounder for him, and with what I've seen of JV, this team could really make some noise starting next year. With the flexibility Batum/JJ/Kleiza give, we could even sweeten the deal with a Ed Davis for Nolan Smith..... gets us a backup PG in the process.

JV/Gray
Bargnani/Johnson
Batum/JJ/Kleiza
DD/Barbosa
Calderon/Bayless

On a side note, seeing JV's highlights, his game reminds me of Lamarcus.... so long, plays long, not the most athletic but very skilled.... Not sure I see the Tyson Chandler comparison at all.... even see a little of Timmy D's game in him, though it's unlikely he'd be that good, obviously.
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Seeing Batum play SG last night makes me wish even harder.... Portland is a deep team on the wings, they even have Luke Babbit way down in the rotation.... not saying he's any good, but he was still a lottery pick.

Batum is a perfect fit here. Can play both wings, stretch the floor, lock down anybody and has great length and quickness for team defense. His age is also ideal... I'd suggest giving our first rounder for him, and with what I've seen of JV, this team could really make some noise starting next year. With the flexibility Batum/JJ/Kleiza give, we could even sweeten the deal with a Ed Davis for Nolan Smith..... gets us a backup PG in the process.

JV/Gray
Bargnani/Johnson
Batum/JJ/Kleiza
DD/Barbosa
Calderon/Bayless

On a side note, seeing JV's highlights, his game reminds me of Lamarcus.... so long, plays long, not the most athletic but very skilled.... Not sure I see the Tyson Chandler comparison at all.... even see a little of Timmy D's game in him, though it's unlikely he'd be that good, obviously.
aldridge and duncan are the best comparisons i've seen so far. Admit i've only seen JV 3 or 4 times (plus tons of highlights.)

people are right i think that it's hard to compare him with players, but those are pretty good ones.
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:36 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Considering our main purpose is looking for a PG/SF. I think we can personally find better options in the draft for a SF this coming summer. Barnes, Gilchrist and all the others have way more potential than Marvin Williams and will be on a rookie contract. however I do agree that Williams is needed for a new scenario, I just dont see that Toronto should really just jump on him this quickly. Perhaps if we are still looking for a SF after the draft then perhaps
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I no longer want Marvin either... now I want to trade DD, our first and Amir for Gay and play him at the 2 and have a huge lineup!
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Old 02-24-2012, 10:38 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I would do this in a heartbeat, maybe even throw in our 2nd rounder.
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Old 02-24-2012, 11:06 PM   #40 (permalink)
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I would do this in a heartbeat, maybe even throw in our 2nd rounder.
Bayless back to POR?

Here's my trade: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7g5a6mx
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