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Old 07-28-2010, 03:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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While it may not always be an ideal destination for some NBA free agents, the city of Toronto has a big supporter in Mark Cuban.

The boisterous Dallas Mavericks' owner came to the defence of the city and weighed in on his thoughts about former Raptors All-Star Chris Bosh and his decision to join LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and the Miami Heat this summer.

"Toronto is a great city, I love it," Cuban told TSN on Wednesday. "That said, the reality of sports is that no city can be everything to every player. Every city has lost players who didn't like 'enter complaint here' about it. Then again, some players are never happy no matter where they are."

Cuban was responding to an interview that Bosh did this past weekend with the Miami Herald in which he discussed how he was originally against the idea of coming to play professionally in Toronto and despite his reported love for the city, he never truly felt at home.
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Certainly it's nothing against the city itself but rather the idea of playing in a foreign country; Toronto is the fourth-largest market in the NBA (after only Los Angeles, New York and Chicago) and has world-class food, theatres and culture. If the city was located a few hours south (in either New York state or Michigan, say) it's quite possible players would be flocking there – it's just that it's in a different country with certain differences in customs, cultures and education.

Players' ignorance in terms of Canadian geography and culture is not necessarily their fault; they were simply never taught that Toronto's similarities to a major American metropolis far outweigh the differences. Until that changes, there will likely be plenty more players who reject the 'True North strong and free' for the 'Star Spangled' shores of an American city.

Of course the easiest way to rectify this situation is winning. If the Raptors were a perennial contender

LINK - TSN.ca
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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"Cuban was responding to an interview that Bosh did this past weekend with the Miami Herald in which he discussed how he was originally against the idea of coming to play professionally in Toronto and despite his reported love for the city, he never truly felt at home."


So I guess I wasn't the only one seeing that article for what it was.

I still think our salary cap situation sucked for years and we've had the money, we did get players. Anyway, I've said this before, but along with winning, the Raptors need a brand ambassador and a marketing team to attract players. There far too many teams in the states who have off seasons and can still land big name player.
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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never truly felt at home

Where did that come from? It wasn't in the article. And he has said that he felt at home here, so it's pretty mysterious.

It's true about being a different country from my perspective. Whereas I see a lot of cities being pretty similar, whenever I'm in an American city, and I've been up and down both coasts, it gets to feel hard to be myself. There's an uncertainty with the little bit if different culture. There are a lot of different extremes that you don't find up here, and people's first take there is often harsh and mistrusting. I remember driving back here from a great week in NYC and feeling a little overcome with a feeling of getting back to my old self.

But you don't even need to leave the country. I'm going back out west to where I grew up soon, and I'm already feeling that pull of the old me nagging at the new me. Once you find a comfort level in a certain spot it can effect you more than you realize. Ask any immigrant - the pull to the old homeland can be unbearable, as if they are split in two. I think that happens to everyone who leaves home - so no Jeff, it wouldn't apply to you, because moving into the basement doesn't count.

So the chances are that with the different culture here, that the move away from home becomes that little bit more difficult. But that would only apply to young players. As far as established players are concerned, it's gotta be about the team's reputation, it's ability to implement a system and philosophy they feel comfortable with, and getting results. The perception of this team probably has a bit of a climb to make.
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Old 07-28-2010, 11:06 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Marc Cuban should buy the Raptors...then maybe we will win something...
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Old 07-29-2010, 12:57 AM   #5 (permalink)
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"I didn't want to go there," Bosh said. "It was different. All I knew was Vince Carter was there and I never saw him play on TV. It was a whole different country, and it was just different. I'm 19 years old, I didn't know anything about culture and being away from home. All I know is the States.

"Toronto's a great place, a fantastic city. It's a metropolitan area, but you could tell you're somewhere different. You could feel it, you could look at it, you can smell it. Everything. All your senses tell you you're somewhere different."

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/07/2...raptor-to.html

I don't think Bosh was attempting to knock Toronto. I still dont like it. Wish he'd give it a rest.

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Old 07-29-2010, 01:05 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Marc Cuban should buy the Raptors...then maybe we will win something...
that would be the greatest thing to happen to the Raptors in their entire existence


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Old 07-29-2010, 03:03 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Where did that come from? It wasn't in the article. And he has said that he felt at home here, so it's pretty mysterious.

It's true about being a different country from my perspective. Whereas I see a lot of cities being pretty similar, whenever I'm in an American city, and I've been up and down both coasts, it gets to feel hard to be myself. There's an uncertainty with the little bit if different culture. There are a lot of different extremes that you don't find up here, and people's first take there is often harsh and mistrusting. I remember driving back here from a great week in NYC and feeling a little overcome with a feeling of getting back to my old self.

But you don't even need to leave the country. I'm going back out west to where I grew up soon, and I'm already feeling that pull of the old me nagging at the new me. Once you find a comfort level in a certain spot it can effect you more than you realize. Ask any immigrant - the pull to the old homeland can be unbearable, as if they are split in two. I think that happens to everyone who leaves home - so no Jeff, it wouldn't apply to you, because moving into the basement doesn't count.

So the chances are that with the different culture here, that the move away from home becomes that little bit more difficult. But that would only apply to young players. As far as established players are concerned, it's gotta be about the team's reputation, it's ability to implement a system and philosophy they feel comfortable with, and getting results. The perception of this team probably has a bit of a climb to make.
Chis Bosh was in Canada for 4 years there isn't a difference in the language or the basic culture. Nor is Canadian culture much different than regional cultrures in the USA.

There is likely as much cultural differences between Houston and NYC than Toronto and NYC. Try coming to a country where foreigners are lucky to be 1/7500 of the population.

Chris likes to think of himself as one the breaking edge of entertainment. Yet for some reason he never took atvantage of the strong media culture in Toronto. Toronto is a North American leader in films, TV, newspapers, theater and internet. ( shame on you Chris) But he would prefer South Beach.

Plus during the season he spends 1/2 his time in wonderful American cities such as Cleveland, Charlotte, OKC, Detroit, Memphis, Sacramento, Milwaukee, Minny, Indy, Salt Lake City. ( note I lived in Detroit area 3 years liked it, Milwaukee is a good city as well as Minny).

We are not coming to some strange new land where the culture is totally different the food is strange and he is within a hours drive of the USA.

Some player will embrace Toronto and some won't what is needed is a winning attitude. Very few teams can reach the pinnacle in the past 25 years Boston, LAL, Spurs, Chicago, Detroit and Miami. Or 20% of the the teams in the NBA.

Toronto has made some huge mistakes in the 1st 15 years of existance and has disappointed. But we are on the right track. We have BC a solid GM with his flaws ( yes he pisses me off at times ), a nice young group of players who want to grow together. I think we have the ability to form a Detroit type of team no Stars but both depth and talent in every spot. ( I'm not talking as defensive as Detroit but adequate defensively and much better offensively. )

Not every player can adapt to a location most Stars would have trouble being in OKC but Durant doesn't. In drafting new players and getting new players in trades I think the most important thing is adapability.
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Being a teenager away from home and in another country with a different culture is still an adjustment for pretty much anyone, maybe not you though Lao.

Bosh was in Canada for seven years. He managed to adjust pretty quickly.

Again - the difference in culture isn't vast enough to really have any effect on a more mature player. And yes - winning is the big thing - but also having a clear idea of your role and value to any team in getting good results would help as well.
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It's good to see an owner stand up for Toronto.
Winning is the only formula for all this stuff to stop. We never heard this stuff when the Blue Jays were the best.
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I dont get it. I just dont get it. Its not like Rom or Madrid. Its still in America, canadian people talk english, better education and a nice infastructure.

Sounds like those players think, u talk french in TDot.....:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
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Being a teenager away from home and in another country
I don't buy this.
It's a pure mental blow off.
You can't claim growing up in Toronto as a high paid basketball player is harder then growing up in OKC/NO/Minn/Etc.

Chris would have developed different if he was in a smaller market town then he did in Toronto.
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regardless, i will always hate him after that denver playoff game
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I don't buy this.
It's a pure mental blow off.
You can't claim growing up in Toronto as a high paid basketball player is harder then growing up in OKC/NO/Minn/Etc.

Chris would have developed different if he was in a smaller market town then he did in Toronto.
Don't you get how the American media says it's so hard to "survive" in Canada but never state the reasons?
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I dont get it. I just dont get it. Its not like Rom or Madrid. Its still in America, canadian people talk english, better education and a nice infastructure.

Sounds like those players think, u talk french in TDot.....:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
I moved from one part of canada to another when I turned 19. It was pretty different. Culture goes beyond language. It took me a good year to adjust and feel like at was at home away from home. My point is that leaving home ain't easy.
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I moved from one part of canada to another when I turned 19. It was pretty different. Culture goes beyond language. It took me a good year to adjust and feel like at was at home away from home. My point is that leaving home ain't easy.
Then every team and every player has this problem, yet only our city and our star players get documented for it.
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I moved from one part of canada to another when I turned 19. It was pretty different. Culture goes beyond language. It took me a good year to adjust and feel like at was at home away from home. My point is that leaving home ain't easy.
Good point LX. But here's the thing, a rookie contract at the time of Chris' drafting started at around 3 million a year and went up from there. It's quite ridiculous in my mind how much these guys care about that extra year in the contract and then never cite how much money matters when they lead the public on with how little they talk about their paycheques when deciding where to play, ahem, I mean "win". It's all ideology I suppose. People generally accept that it's okay that these guys make what they do for what they do because it's such an important outlet for so many who feel frustrated with their position in life.
Still, complaining about the difference in culture, and the minutia of living in another country is bullshit. We've got guys from Italy, Spain, Slovenia etc that love playing in Toronto because it's a North American city with a European feel to it. It's still North American, and has quite a few American elements to it, more than any European ones I'd argue. So, the culture assertion is a cheap underhanded cop-out to me.
It isn't about going home, it's about money, exposure and the bullshit clouded misperception of what Toronto is. Bosh lived here for seven years and he still doesn't get it. DeRozan's been here for a year and he does. A lot of the Euros would be gods if they played back in Europe. They come to play in the NBA because they're ballers. Money is still a factor, but when you take into account a lot of the perks for playing in Europe, it's not like they're leaving millions on the table for choosing to play there over the NBA.
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i agree with you Cling... and i hope you're right about Derozan, but i wouldn't take it to the bank just yet. Enough people start talking in his ear about this and that and how he's too good for Canada and he may start believing like good ole rupe did. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how impressionable he becomes as he grows or if he even cares.
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I moved from one part of canada to another when I turned 19. It was pretty different. Culture goes beyond language. It took me a good year to adjust and feel like at was at home away from home. My point is that leaving home ain't easy.
Leaving home ain't easy. But same could be said of a player who grew up in NY and who's draft by Memphis, Minnesota, Charlotte, or any other bum-fuck-nowhere town in the US!
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Leaving home ain't easy. But same could be said of a player who grew up in NY and who's draft by Memphis, Minnesota, Charlotte, or any other bum-fuck-nowhere town in the US!
You can't compare Memphis, Minni, Charlotte, Oklahoma, Orlando (yes fucking orlando), Milwaukee, Oakland, New Orleans, etc to Toronto. I'm not even including how Toronto shares more similarities to NYC than even Philly and DC (which are so close to it)

Toronto is much bigger and more prominent than any of those places. But our air is different.

This is why, even though almost every player is drafted and plays somewhere else, only our city and our players get asked wicked questions like " how are you surviving in Canada?"
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so sick of this topic, first with Damon Stoudamire , VC, and McGrady, and now we got to listent to the same crap about Bosh

I would prefer never to hear about this kind of story again

I'm geting sick of these american players who leave and say its a great city but,

Mike and Mike espn radio which is a national radio program in the U.S were questioning if NBA should be in Toronto WTF is that,

people here don't want Euros on the team but hay the only guy I know for sure that wants to stay on the team long term probably for his whole career is Andrea Bargnani, I'm not sure if Demar Derozan 6 years from now becomes this big star might want to leave not because of his character because of past history of american players

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