Marion or Turkoglu? Did BC pick the right One?

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Old 08-15-2009, 07:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Shawn Marion is excited to rejuvenate his career with the Mavericks after two uneven seasons.

"I'm just ready to play ball," Marion said, according to NBA.com.

Marion went from one of Phoenix's cornerstones a few seasons ago to a player that was passed around via trades because of his hefty contract.

There were rumors that Marion was a problem in a Phoenix, with some believing that he had a problem with high-profile teammates Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire.

"It's funny how they say stuff after you leave," Marion said. "So much of that stuff about our relationships, that stuff ain't true. I don't get into that. Everybody can say what they want to say. If someone doesn't want to say something directly to me, what can I do?"

Marion's numbers were low in Miami and Toronto last season, and he denies speculation that his skills have deterioration.

"If you take 10 shots away from someone who was scoring 20 points, I don't care who you are, you're not going to score the same," he said. "It's not possible. You can break that down any way you want, but you can't score without getting the ball."
RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Marion Is Ready To 'Play Ball' In Dallas
He sounds really commited. Was giving up Marion's energy, rebounding, post game and defence worth Hedo Turkoglu's shooting, playmaking and scoring ability? Did Brian Colangelo make the right choice?
I think that both players are very good but Turkoglu has a slight edge.
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Marions stupid attitude and him thinking hes a primetime player alone make me happy we're not spending 8+ mil on him any longer.

That and Turkoglu is a better player than him at this point in their careers.
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We started to mesh as a team late last year and Marion provided us with defence and energy but Turk provides us with something that we sorely needed; a playmaker and clutch scorer at the wing
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Marions stupid attitude and him thinking hes a primetime player alone make me happy we're not spending 8+ mil on him any longer.
Marion didn't deserve the 8 mil but it sounds like he thinks he does deserve it in the article. Dallas now has to problematic wings - Josh Howard and Marion.
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The obvious is that we got a deeper bench b/c of the trade, the team clearly gains in choosing T over M due to the signings of the bench. However, some of the things that we're lacking are the things that we gave up in marion; rebounding and defense. This move by BC was massive with regards to the tempo and style the raps are committed to. Long gone is the run and push mentality; in comes the carefully sculpted plays.
Moreover, as both players age, one has to ask themselves which type of player will be most beneficial to the raps. Turk brings the ball handling skills, decision making and play calling that the raps have needed. These attributes will only strengthen as he ages. Marion on the other hand, is a shoot first ask later type of player. He's not looking to make fancy passes or rack up his assist numbers. Further, his style of play will diminish with age. I think BC made the right call; however, we may not see the positives so clearly early in the season. The team will be making mistakes, players will be learning new roles and plays, and a new head coach has to make sure everyone gels together.
In a side note, I don't think Bosh is due for a monstrous year like everyone assumes. His numbers will probably be 20 and 10 again, instead of 25/12 or something similar. If anything, his numbers may go down. There is gonna be less looks to go around with all the new additions. But he'll still get his big contract, despite what ppl think, he's the closest thing to a franchise player the raps have.
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Marion didn't deserve the 8 mil but it sounds like he thinks he does deserve it in the article. Dallas now has to problematic wings - Josh Howard and Marion.
To be determined. Marion can do a lot of thing Turk can't, and vice versa, I think what Marion brought to the table might of been a better mix for the team, we'll find out in a few months.
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bottom line is marion didn't want to play here, so good riddance.
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The obvious is that we got a deeper bench b/c of the trade, the team clearly gains in choosing T over M due to the signings of the bench. However, some of the things that we're lacking are the things that we gave up in marion; rebounding and defense. This move by BC was massive with regards to the tempo and style the raps are committed to. Long gone is the run and push mentality; in comes the carefully sculpted plays.
Moreover, as both players age, one has to ask themselves which type of player will be most beneficial to the raps. Turk brings the ball handling skills, decision making and play calling that the raps have needed. These attributes will only strengthen as he ages. Marion on the other hand, is a shoot first ask later type of player. He's not looking to make fancy passes or rack up his assist numbers. Further, his style of play will diminish with age. I think BC made the right call; however, we may not see the positives so clearly early in the season. The team will be making mistakes, players will be learning new roles and plays, and a new head coach has to make sure everyone gels together.
In a side note, I don't think Bosh is due for a monstrous year like everyone assumes. His numbers will probably be 20 and 10 again, instead of 25/12 or something similar. If anything, his numbers may go down. There is gonna be less looks to go around with all the new additions. But he'll still get his big contract, despite what ppl think, he's the closest thing to a franchise player the raps have.
I agree that Bosh will not have a monster season. With the recenty aqcuirements, we got deeper and the less Bosh scores the better. I predict 20 and 11.
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bottom line is marion didn't want to play here, so good riddance.
I remember at the time that it had nothing to do with whether Marion wanted to be here, but whether the front office thought Marion was worth a multi-year deal and whether Turkoglu would be an upgrade over Marion. I think fans are making a mistake in assuming that Marion didn't sign right away because he supposedly didn't want to be here; rather, I think it was that he was a second option for the Raptors.

Signing Marion still would have allowed the Raptors to sign Jack and Rasho. I think the Raptors needed Marion's skillset more than they needed Turkoglu's.
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I remember at the time that it had nothing to do with whether Marion wanted to be here, but whether the front office thought Marion was worth a multi-year deal and whether Turkoglu would be an upgrade over Marion. I think fans are making a mistake in assuming that Marion didn't sign right away because he supposedly didn't want to be here; rather, I think it was that he was a second option for the Raptors.

Signing Marion still would have allowed the Raptors to sign Jack and Rasho. I think the Raptors needed Marion's skillset more than they needed Turkoglu's.
I honestly think Marion's fast break offense is not more deadlier than when Turkoglu drives in the paint, kick outs to open guards, or just shooting over his opponents and he has a bigger frame than marion plus better handling.

Marion did have the rebounding and IMO he is a bit better defender.
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It will all come down to what the Raptors can do defensively. Marion made them better in that regard than they had been for some time. Now I won't suggest that Hedo and the added depth can't replicate that or even build upon it. It's possible. But it's also possible that the intent is to win with offense rather than defense, or at least to ultimately rely more heavily on offensive production rather than building upon the defense, in which case losing Marion will look very bad. There is enough that has been put out there anecdotedly to make me feel that defense was not an afterthought in putting this team together, but I have to see the results to be sure that a choice of offense over defense wasn't part of the process.
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Signing Marion still would have allowed the Raptors to sign Jack and Rasho. I think the Raptors needed Marion's skillset more than they needed Turkoglu's.
That may be, but that would also mean that we would not have the defense of Antoine Wright or the sharp shooting of Marco Belinelli.
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we wouldn't have got rid of humphries and jawaii without the trade so accept what the offseason has become
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Marions stupid attitude and him thinking hes a primetime player alone make me happy we're not spending 8+ mil on him any longer.

That and Turkoglu is a better player than him at this point in their careers.
he does have good numbes amrion and turkoglu tought he was worth the same amout personally. i would rather have marion if everythin else stayed he same.
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The obvious is that we got a deeper bench b/c of the trade, the team clearly gains in choosing T over M due to the signings of the bench. However, some of the things that we're lacking are the things that we gave up in marion; rebounding and defense. This move by BC was massive with regards to the tempo and style the raps are committed to. Long gone is the run and push mentality; in comes the carefully sculpted plays.
Moreover, as both players age, one has to ask themselves which type of player will be most beneficial to the raps. Turk brings the ball handling skills, decision making and play calling that the raps have needed. These attributes will only strengthen as he ages. Marion on the other hand, is a shoot first ask later type of player. He's not looking to make fancy passes or rack up his assist numbers. Further, his style of play will diminish with age. I think BC made the right call; however, we may not see the positives so clearly early in the season. The team will be making mistakes, players will be learning new roles and plays, and a new head coach has to make sure everyone gels together.
In a side note, I don't think Bosh is due for a monstrous year like everyone assumes. His numbers will probably be 20 and 10 again, instead of 25/12 or something similar. If anything, his numbers may go down. There is gonna be less looks to go around with all the new additions. But he'll still get his big contract, despite what ppl think, he's the closest thing to a franchise player the raps have.
the suestion inclduded if everything else stayed the same. so, you can't go and say turkoglu was better because of the trade.
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sorry, for all the posts.

but, what if we had never gotten marion and he was playing with dallas and then he was included in that trade.

making everything that has happened still happen.

would you rather have brought in marion or turkoglu INDIVIDUALLY>

once again you guys don't carefully read it and go off talking about how the offseason moes wouldn't be possible.

i'm pretty sure the publisher of this thread meant exactly what i jusst said. am i correct?
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It's as simple as this

Marion - 31 and his game is reliant on athleticism and thus will break down faster. What the hell is Marion going to do when he's slow and old. Spot up? Take people off the dribble? roflmao. The guy is going to be a bench scrub within 2 years, we dodged a bullet not signing him to an 8 mil contract

Turkoglu - 30 years old and his game is reliant on being a 6'10 SF with playmaking and 3 point skills. His game won't break down at all with decreasing athleticism, like Dirk and Jamison I think he'll be around the same until 35.

Plus Turk was actually better than Marion last year by quite a bit. And the difference between them defensively is not much.

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Turkoglu is exactly what this team needed, a wing player that can handle the ball, create for others therefore taking pressure off Jose and can shoot the ball especially in late game situations, which in turn takes pressure off Bosh. The only thing Marion brought that Hedo doesn't is Athletic ability and defence, which are on the decline anyway.
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Marion - 31 and his game is reliant on athleticism and thus will break down faster. What the hell is Marion going to do when he's slow and old. Spot up? Take people off the dribble? roflmao. The guy is going to be a bench scrub within 2 years, we dodged a bullet not signing him to an 8 mil contract

Turkoglu - 30 years old and his game is reliant on being a 6'10 SF with playmaking and 3 point skills. His game won't break down at all with decreasing athleticism, like Dirk and Jamison I think he'll be around the same until 35.

Plus Turk was actually better than Marion last year by quite a bit. And the difference between them defensively is not much.
Dirk isn't that athletic or skilled. It's just the situation he's in. & footer that can shoot is basically my description of Nowitzki's game. I actually think Bargnani is better than him. If Bargnani got as many touches on a team like the Mavericks, he'd average 25 a game easily.
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I remember at the time that it had nothing to do with whether Marion wanted to be here, but whether the front office thought Marion was worth a multi-year deal and whether Turkoglu would be an upgrade over Marion. I think fans are making a mistake in assuming that Marion didn't sign right away because he supposedly didn't want to be here; rather, I think it was that he was a second option for the Raptors.

Signing Marion still would have allowed the Raptors to sign Jack and Rasho. I think the Raptors needed Marion's skillset more than they needed Turkoglu's.
you remember incorrectly
we offered him the same money dallas offered afterwards
he didn't take our money, instead he chose dallas
read between the lines

the rumours were that we offered almost 9/yr, he either didn't think we could be good enough, or he was hoping for even more money.
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