Marion to Dallas in Unconfirmed Four Team Deal

Dr. J. Naismith · 07-07-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

It would, but that's before signing Turkoglu.

Oh, OK ... I was basing it on Hedo already being locked up which he most likely will be tomorrow at some point.

**Acie** · 07-07-2009, 04:00 PM

It wouldn't free up anything. It would add another 2 million dollars to our payroll.

roma1092 · 07-07-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Acie

It wouldn't free up anything. It would add another 2 million dollars to our payroll.

I'm sure that's why Colangelo's doing it.

Apollo · 07-07-2009, 05:14 PM

If they could dump Banks in a Marion deal and get nothing in return but a pick or some cash or an expiring contract of equal/less value to Banks than I would applaud that move.

jeffb · 07-07-2009, 05:18 PM

One thing we have to remember too is that if Marion is S&T and we sign Turkoglu and then have 5-6Mil under the cap, Brian then has time to take a breath and make another move or two with whats left to get a little more cap space. Mind you if he can unload Marion & Hump at the same time he'd probably be done.

EazyBalla · 07-07-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Apollo

If they could dump Banks in a Marion deal and get nothing in return but a pick or some cash or an expiring contract of equal/less value to Banks than I would applaud that move.

Link: Dallas Journal

Apparently that is why this is taking soo long. BC is trying to include Banks in the deal. Everywhere Marion goes, Banks has to follow.

JayJayW · 07-07-2009, 05:27 PM

hhaha ....banks is marions luggage porter

jeffb · 07-07-2009, 05:27 PM

Uh Oh, deal might be off!

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Just got a tip that one of the unresolved issues in the Mavericks' talks with Toronto about Shawn Marion is that the Raptors apparently want the Mavericks to take back Marcus Banks, as well.

That's all well and good. Banks is a functional point guard. But, he's also set to make more than $9 million in the next two seasons. That would clog up a lot of salary cap space for the Mavericks, both this year and next.

Plus, that would mean either Marion would have to take somewhat less than the $7 million that Jerry Stackhouse's contract is worth and/or the Mavericks would have to include another player. Think Shawne Williams.

Anyway, it appears the Mavericks will still have to find a third team to help facilitate this trade because taking on more salary just doesn't make much sense.

Dallas Mavericks Blog | Sports News | News from Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News

If Brian can get this done.....wow!

**Acie** · 07-07-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by roma1092

I'm sure that's why Colangelo's doing it.

I doubt it because then that's 2 million less we have to spend on Turkoglu.

They way I understand it is he has to do this without taking any salary back. He's basically doing Marion and his agent a favour, so he can get more bread.

10gizzle · 07-07-2009, 06:09 PM

I'd love this for both of my teams...being Toronto and Dallas.

We have room to fill up our bench.

Dallas gets a versatile, rebounding, defensive forward that they've lacked for years...

Torontosaurus · 07-07-2009, 06:36 PM

Here's the latest on Marion:

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Sources: Mavs pursue Raps' Marion

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com

The Dallas Mavericks, after striking verbal agreements over the past few days to retain Jason Kidd and sign restricted free agent Marcin Gortat to an offer sheet, have identified their next target: Shawn Marion.

The Mavericks and Toronto Raptors, according to NBA front-office sources, are in advanced discussions on a sign-and-trade deal that would bring Marion to Dallas.

No trade appeared imminent Monday night, largely because this will be a difficult deal to complete without a third team to help make the salary-cap math work. But Dallas has emerged as the most determined suitor and perhaps the best option for Marion, who appeared to be heading for a new deal with the Raptors last week when Toronto succeeded in wooing Hedo Turkoglu away from the Portland Trail Blazers with an 11th-hour bid on Friday after Turkoglu had committed to the Blazers.

If the Mavericks and Raptors can find a third team to help facilitate the trade, sources say that former All-Star guard Jerry Stackhouse will almost certainly be headed to the Raptors in the exchange. Stackhouse is scheduled to earn $7 million next season at age 34, but only $2 million of his salary is guaranteed as long as he is waived by Aug. 10.

"For sure," one source close to the process said of Stackhouse's involvement. One big issue, though, is that even buying Stackhouse out for $2 million would force Toronto to shed $2 million somewhere else from its payroll to finance its Turkoglu signing.

Even if a new suitor winds up joining Dallas in the chase, Marion's options for landing a contract that starts above the projected mid-level exception of $5.8 million next season would appear to be exhausted without a sign-and-trade involving the Raptors. Neither Portland nor Oklahoma City -- teams that still have cap space to burn -- are expected to make him an offer.

Sources say that the Cleveland Cavaliers, despite their recent pursuits of Trevor Ariza and Ron Artest and a well-chronicled need for a combo forward, are not making a hard push for Marion. Any offer Cleveland can make to the 31-year-old could not start above the mid-level exception, with the Cavs well over the cap.

Marion earned $17.8 million last season and was traded for the second straight February when Miami sent him to Toronto in a swap for Jermaine O'Neal. He went from Phoenix to Miami one year earlier in the Shaquille O'Neal trade.

The Raptors were intent on re-signing Marion if they couldn't win the Turkoglu sweepstakes, seeing late-season signs of promise in Marion's collaboration alongside Chris Bosh and Andrea Bargnani. It's believed that Raptors president Bryan Colangelo will try to help Marion if he can do so without affecting the Turkoglu acquisition, having drafted Marion for the Suns in 1999.

Toronto would likely have to renounce its rights to Marion, Anthony Parker and Carlos Delfino to create the requisite salary-cap space to sign Turkoglu unless trades such as the Dallas deal materialize.

Mavs owner Mark Cuban has said for months that he was prepared to be as aggressive as possible this summer as opposed to waiting for the free-agent bonanza of 2010, when Dallas was initially expected to have substantial cap space. Beating out regional rivals Houston and San Antonio to get a verbal commitment from Gortat and then trading for Marion, along with retaining Kidd, would significantly increase the Mavericks' depth in a critical season, with Dirk Nowitzki possessing the right to test the 2010 free-agent market.

Orlando retains the right to match any offer sheet to Gortat but are generally expected not to match. Sources say that the Mavericks, meanwhile, are determined to keep Josh Howard even if a trade for Marion can be worked out, with Howard also entering the final year of his contract. It was not immediately clear whether Dallas will be forced to add draft considerations to the cash payment Toronto is certain to seek to cover some or all of the cost of Stackhouse's buyout.

One potential drawback for the Mavericks is that Marion would be yet another key member of their core over the age of 30, joining Nowitzki (31), Kidd (36), Jason Terry (31) and Howard (who turns 30 next April).

Link: Sources: Dallas Mavericks chase Shawn Marion in sign-and-trade - ESPN

10gizzle, if you're also a Dallas fan, there's an article about why Dallas wants Marion: Dallas Basketball - Dallas Mavericks Basketball News and Links

Windex · 07-07-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 10gizzle

I'd love this for both of my teams...being Toronto and Dallas.

We have room to fill up our bench.

Dallas gets a versatile, rebounding, defensive forward that they've lacked for years...

another one like me

10gizzle · 07-07-2009, 06:54 PM

I've been a huge Mavs fan for awhile.

Needless to say, it's been a much more stressful experience than my Raptors fandom.

The Miami series and the Golden State series really hit me hard.

I would really like their team if they could get Marion. A player like that would be huge on a team with Kidd and Dirk.

Windex · 07-07-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 10gizzle

I've been a huge Mavs fan for awhile.

Needless to say, it's been a much more stressful experience than my Raptors fandom.

The Miami series and the Golden State series really hit me hard.

I would really like their team if they could get Marion. A player like that would be huge on a team with Kidd and Dirk.

Mavs are my secondary team b/c I lived in Dallas
when the Raps don't make the postseason I root for the Mavs, that happens a lot

**halphbreedballer** · 07-07-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Windex

Mavs are my secondary team b/c I lived in Dallas
when the Raps don't make the postseason I root for the Mavs, that happens a lot

What makes u a raps fan considering u are in Dallas?

LX · 07-07-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by halphbreedballer

What makes u a raps fan considering u are in Dallas?

lived was the key word I would say

CripwalkinK · 07-07-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by •LX•

lived was the key word I would say

**halphbreedballer** · 07-07-2009, 07:50 PM

Whoops!

Well it's still a question...If I was from lets say Chicago I still would keep my home town team as my #1 team thats just the way I am (I was a bulls fan before the T.O. got an expansion team)

Again why would u put the Raps as your #1 team?

jj33 · 07-07-2009, 08:17 PM

so do you think BC will do something with S&T until 10 PM Pacific time???

**halphbreedballer** · 07-07-2009, 08:22 PM

Man I hope so!!

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