Marion + Belinelli > Turkoglu?
Old 10-06-2009, 07:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I was watching some raps game for last year on Raptors tv, and it got me thinking about what went down this summer.

Shawn Marion looked damn good at the end of last year. He's got the defense, the rebounding, the dunks, the transition game, and the hustle.

Obviously, we needed a playmaker.

Belinelli always claims he wants to be the best in the world. Something tells me that this guy could have the playmaking and shotmaking skills as Turkoglu.

Perhaps if colangelo kept marion and still got belinelli, it would have been a better move?

Obviously I'm just speculating, and I'm really excited for our team this year, and think we can be really good. But Shawn Marion was pretty damn good.
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how about Belinelli + Turkoglu> Marion?
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Old 10-06-2009, 07:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't really mean that those two players combined are better than the other. I just think the different contrast in skillset could result in more W's.
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Old 10-06-2009, 07:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Gabe, when you see what Hedo brings to the table this season you will wonder why you ever posted this. The Raptors offense requires ball handlers and playmakers. The Raptors had one player who truely fit that role last year, Jose Calderon. Now they have three: Calderon, Turkoglu and Jack. Turkoglu is also clutch and he can make things happen for himself late in the shot clock during broken plays...That's been missing since Carter left. I hate to say it but the Matrix is regressing and he relies heavily on others to score. The Matrix is more of a role player at this point where as Hedo can carry the load on offense at times in all imaginable ways except back to the basket low post scoring...Something Marion couldn't do anyway. Colangelo went out and drafted DeRozan and he can do some of the things Marion did last year and beyond him they have Nesterovic and Evans coming off the bench to take care of the dirty work.

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I don't really mean that those two players combined are better than the other. I just think the different contrast in skillset could result in more W's.
What does it matter? Don't they have Marco right now as well? The Raptors are better of with Hedo than the Matrix.

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I really enjoyed seeing Marion play live. He's got great instincts. I would have been happy to see him stay. And until I see the defense play the way they say they want to, I'll be worried that they looked past what he did defensively.

But Hedo gets the edge when you think about what they want to achieve with the ball movement. And he makes it much easier to not be so dependent on Bosh in the offense like they have the past two seasons, particularly late in games. I don't see Beli being proven enough to offer the same sort of thing just yet. It's a little different role.
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Old 10-06-2009, 07:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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If Bosh draws a double team this year there are so many guys who will punish them its not even funny.
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Exactly - and Marion just didn't provide that sort of balance. I do think he's more than just a role player though. Or if he is - he fills a lot of roles by himself.
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:00 PM   #8 (permalink)
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marion is older then turk and i personally think he is regressing. He is old and dallas having him for 4-5 more years will hurt them more then hedo could hurt us.......man was marions shot the worst thing i have ever seen
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:08 PM   #9 (permalink)
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You're assuming Belinelli will be as good as Hedo? Have you thought what happens if he doesn't meet your expectations? We'll be stuck with the same crap as last year.
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:16 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:19 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:22 PM   #13 (permalink)
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You're assuming Belinelli will be as good as Hedo? Have you thought what happens if he doesn't meet your expectations? We'll be stuck with the same crap as last year.
Not even close. Last seasons backup SG was Kapono.

Belinelli is almost as consistent a shooter over the last 3 years and is good-very good playmaker and has good court vision. He's a massive upgrade over Jason Kapono and it's not even close. So much so, that's it's funny.
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theres a big reason why Hedo was one of the most (if not the most) saught after FA this summer... and why marion was an afterthought.
Hedo is head and shoulders better than marion, and will bring so much more to our team than marion ever could.
even if we kept marion, DD would have been redundant... we're just so much more powerful with Hedo on the court than we would be with Matrix, its not even a question.
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:09 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Uh... we got Belinelli for George ... from the Marion trade.

So... it's either Turk + Belinelli or Marion.

We also picked up Wright on this trade.
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:12 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Shawn Marion a role player? Gimme a break.

When it comes to transition ball with a good pg, he's the best in the league at that, without a question.
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:23 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Uh... we got Belinelli for George ... from the Marion trade.

So... it's either Turk + Belinelli or Marion.

We also picked up Wright on this trade.
It took 14 posts before someone picked up on it. Bellinelli doesn't happen without an expiring.

Marion is a solid player, but Turkoglu is a better fit for this team than Marion.
Like Apollo pointed out, you'll see his worth this season.

By keeping Marion, we couldn't pick up half the guys we did.
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