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Old 07-20-2008, 11:45 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Great Joey is being paid 2.4 million next season to be a good buddy in the locker room and not contribute on the court.Let's keep him>
I didn't say let's keep him, but why trade him for a mediocre, disruptive locker room presence?
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Old 07-20-2008, 11:52 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I didn't say let's keep him, but why trade him for a mediocre, disruptive locker room presence?
I've never heard that he was a disruptive player in the locker room.And as far as Joey, we can't get any better for him than Williams IMO.
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:19 PM   #23 (permalink)
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He was passed up by a lot of teams in the draft and now the Nets want to dump him.

Do the math boys.
Colangelo has been successful mainly because he's went after guys that other GMs didn't want.

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I didn't say let's keep him, but why trade him for a mediocre, disruptive locker room presence?
One guy who would probably be fighting for a spot at the end of the rotation isn't bad. What, you don't think he's going to fall in line when Jermaine, Chris and Sam start barking at him? His problem is that he doesn't have leadership to follow in Jersey. If it didn't work then they could cut him and had given up nothing but a scrub going nowhere.

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Old 07-20-2008, 12:29 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I've never heard that he was a disruptive player in the locker room.And as far as Joey, we can't get any better for him than Williams IMO.

It's been well documented that he has an attitude problem, poor work ethic, etc, etc...
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:31 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Colangelo has been successful mainly because he's went after guys that other GMs didn't want.



One guy who would probably be fighting for a spot at the end of the rotation isn't bad. What, you don't think he's going to fall in line when Jermaine, Chris and Sam start barking at him? His problem is that he doesn't have leadership to follow in Jersey. If it didn't work then they could cut him and had given up nothing but a scrub going nowhere.

He also doesn't bring in guys with no character and troubled pasts.

He isn't coming anyway because it was in the paper the other day that the Raps are not on high on him at all.
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Old 07-20-2008, 08:06 PM   #26 (permalink)
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What character issues has Williams had since entering the league?

I know he had the laptop stealing thing at UConn, but I hadn't heard anything negative about him personality wise in the past couple years.

We don't really need him though. I see no reason to trade for him just because he's available. And like Acie said...it's not like he's been impressive on the court at all in his NBA career.
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Old 07-20-2008, 08:18 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Swag, if I'm not mistaken, he's been in Frank's dog house almost his entire time in New jersey because of a shitty attitude and work ethic. I remember reading them joking about having to check him for a pulse at practice to see if he was alive. lol
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Old 07-20-2008, 08:48 PM   #28 (permalink)
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He also doesn't bring in guys with no character and troubled pasts.

He isn't coming anyway because it was in the paper the other day that the Raps are not on high on him at all.
Jermaine O'neal had a troubled past..

Marcus Williams and what it has to say about him:
Great point guard skills... Very creative... Good vision and passing skills... Good leader on the court... Can create his own shot... Not a great long-range shooter... Average athlete at best... Really struggles defensively... Has some baggage.
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Old 07-20-2008, 08:50 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Meh, we're talking about moving Joey "Rocks for Brains" Graham here. Its not like the Raptors would be losing much by taking a chance.
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Marcus has got a ton of skill. He's just raw and needs a change of scenery with a more disciplined coach. Sam could help and Marcus would be good for us.
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Meh, we're talking about moving Joey "Rocks for Brains" Graham here. Its not like the Raptors would be losing much by taking a chance.
I couldn't agree more.Joey Graham has been here too long as it is. Marcus Williams gives us added depth at the guard spot.Graham will be DNP most nights here,so what would we be losing exactly?
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It's not what we would be losing.....it's what they will be getting. The answer: nothing.

Joey must be packaged with someone (or something) if we want a player who will actually play in games.
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Here's what a lot of your rookies aren't taking into consideration: Clubhouse chemistry. Yeah, Williams is a talent, but it goes against Colangelo's philosopghy of having solid character guys with decent IQ. A family atmosphere. A brotherhood, if you will. I don't think he would take it well backing up Calderon. You need guys that understand their roles on the team. He would not be one of them. He would bring more harm than help.
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Old 07-21-2008, 11:27 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I couldn't agree more.Joey Graham has been here too long as it is. Marcus Williams gives us added depth at the guard spot.Graham will be DNP most nights here,so what would we be losing exactly?
Locker room cohesiveness.

If Williams is, in fact, disruptive or lazy or unenthusiastic about playing basketball, we don't need him. It's a culture that the Raptors would rather not allow into their organization.

Why risk anything for a guy who will have little to no impact on the court?

Sure, Joey doesn't produce much, but neither would Williams, and Joey is viewed as a friendly guy who understands his role and is in general a positive presence on the squad.

And need I remind everyone that we've been burned by douchebags before?

No thanks.
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:01 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I think if we got Boone as well it would be worth it. He showed at times last year he can put up some double doubles when given some minutes in Jersey. I really doubt they would throw him in, but if they did, I think that trade would not be too bad. I almost like the trade for Boone better then Williams though, I think he has some potential and could be another Hump like contributor with rebounds etc.

from NBA.com last year when Boone cracked their starting lineup:

Update: Boone has 16 offensive rebounds since entering the starting lineup three games ago and leads the Nets with 46 boards off the offensive glass.

Analysis: It's been seven games since Boone emerged in coach Lawrence Frank's rotation, ultimately becoming a starter. He's proven to be a ferocious rebounder,averaging 8.7 rebounds in 30 minutes per game during the seven-game stretch.


All this being said, I can't see them just throwing in Boone on any trade. He was their starting Center for alot of last year, and they haven't even resigned Nenad Kystic yet I don't think. At worst he is their backup Center though, and Joey G and replacing that void.....therefore, highly unlikely.
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Joey's the idiot IMO.I'll take Williams over Graham any day of the week.
Maybe so, but at least Joey isn't disruptive to the team. Marcus is a fuckin' dillweed. This is the same kid that was stealing lap tops on his campus and selling them at UConn. Talk about character issues. No thank you.
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Character issues aside, I'm seeing two players that have had plenty of chances to prove themselves on the court and just not gone anywhere. They both have nice skillsets, and they both use those consistently poorly in terms of actual results. If anything, Joey has shown more. But in any case there's just nothing interesting about acquiring Williams.
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What about Boone?
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What about Boone?
We cant get a solid 8+8 type center who plays defence for Joey friggin Graham.
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We dont need Boone Anyway.

What is needed is an upgrade at the wing position(not gonna get it this year anyway) and a 3rd PG.
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