Maggette vs Diaw
Old 06-22-2008, 03:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Over the last few weeks, the Raptors have been linked in trade rumors to both Corey Maggette of the Clippers and Phoenix's Boris Diaw, both in exchange, reportedly, for TJ Ford. Personally I would take either of these deals if I'm the Raptors, but which would I rather have? Who would be a better fit? Which player would contribute more in areas in which the Raptors are lacking? And, perhaps most importantly, which trade is more likely to happen?

The Clippers are probably ready to deal and Maggette might be had for cheap since he could leave via free agency and bring the Clips nothing in return. This is not a league secret, however, and LA may have a number of suitors for a possible sign-and-trade. They are in desperate need of a quality PG, though, which is exactly what the Raptors are looking to unload. TJ's history of injury is always a concern but LA might be willing to roll the dice on him rather than have Maggette walk for free. Still, the Clippers might ask for more in return than Ford from Toronto.

The Suns are also ready to deal. Kerr intends to do whatever necessary to return PHX to the NBA's elite and players such as Diaw, Raja Bell, and Leandro Barbosa have already been mentioned in trade rumors. The Suns are looking for, among other things, a capable backup and potential replacement to an aging Steve Nash. This deal would seem to benefit both teams, although many wonder if Ford would be willing to accept a reserve role in Phoenix (as he was unwilling to do in Toronto), even if it was a 2-time MVP he would be backing up.

Keeping in mind that Maggette may come at a higher price tag (although that would probably mean 1 of the Raps many swingmen which wouldn't have played much with Maggette in town anyway), he does have some distinct advantages over a player like Diaw. He is 1 of the most capable, aggressive slashers in the league and would replace the 1 advantage that Ford has over Calderon: his ability to penetrate and create his own shot. This will provide a nice contrast to the many shooters (including Calderon, Anthony Parker, Jason Kapono, Carlos Delfino, and Andrea Bargnani) on the Raptors roster. He shoots a ton of free throws, an area where the Raptors were among the worst in the NBA last season. He would also bring some toughness to Toronto, something the Raps have seriously been lacking for some time now. He is a capable rebounder at the SF spot and is a decent defender against most 2s and 3s in the league.

Diaw is not without his appealing qualities either. He is a good rebounder and distributor if given the opportunity, having once average over 6rebs and 6 assts per game with Amare Stoudemire out with injury 2 seasons ago. However, his production and minutes have dramatically declined since STAT's return, which leads me to question his effectiveness with Bosh needing touches and Calderon running the show. Plus, with the glutton of small forwards on the Raptors roster, Diaw may find himself struggling to find enough minutes to be truly effective and put his unique skill-set on display. Still, another playmaker is always welcome, especially with Ford on his way out. And should Bosh go down, Diaw has proven himself capable at the PF spot, especially in the Eastern Conference. Diaw is a decent shooter (more mid-range than 3pt) and is capable of guarding multiple positions. He is coming from a consistent winner in Phoenix and is a good teammate by most accounts, despite his reduced role and lack of minutes. That is something that hasn't always been said in regards to Maggette.

So, who would you rather have?
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Old 06-22-2008, 03:35 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'd do Maggette for Ford

I don't want any part of Diaw
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Old 06-22-2008, 09:38 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Maggette>>>>>>>Diaw for sure
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Old 06-22-2008, 10:11 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I understand why BC would like Diaw, but I think Maggette is a much better fix. He can become the third option that we need while also playing some lock down defense for us. When he came into the NBA he wasn't known for his defense but over the past few seasons Maggettte has really stepped up that part of his game.

If the Suns were to obtain Ford the player I'd like to see head Toronto's way is Barbosa. With Nash, Ford and Barbosa on the same roster it would make for a cluttered backcourt and it would make sense for PHX to deal Barbosa to us.

What about NY? Weren't there talks of David Lee being part of a deal for Ford? That's the player I really liked because he would help us on the glass.
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Maggette gets to the line about ten times per game. He's ranked 6th at it in the league. The Raptors have no slashers. Maggette all the way.
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I'd do Maggette for Ford

I don't want any part of Diaw
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I like maggette's game but my only concern is his injury/health.
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Old 06-22-2008, 11:11 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I'm not really a fan of either, but if I had to choose I guess I'd take Diaw.

Sure he's the lesser of the two when it comes to scoring, but his versatility is unique and not very common in the NBA today from a player of his calibre. I'd take Diaw and find another way to fill that scoring void in another transaction.
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I'm not really a fan of either, but if I had to choose I guess I'd take Diaw.

Sure he's the lesser of the two when it comes to scoring, but his versatility is unique and not very common in the NBA today from a player of his calibre. I'd take Diaw and find another way to fill that scoring void in another transaction.
Diaw is more versitile and as a second scorer getting more touches than in Pheonix he'd get alot more points than he did in Pheonix,maybe 15PPG.On the other hand,Maggette is a proven scorer and you can almost def. pencil him in for 20PPG/6RPG.

I guess i'd go for Maggette!He's more of a guaranteed scorer which we need behind Bosh. IMO if we're able to pick Lopez in the draft and land Maggette for Ford +?.The only thing to do would be to get a back up PG.
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Old 06-22-2008, 11:42 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I'd take diaw b/c if Bosh triggers that knee injury again, he is there to fill in and he is will be a decent scorer if given more minutes.
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We could shift Diaw from center to small forward. We'd be getting a big man.
Maggette would solve scoring problems and SF. 20PPG.
Tell the Clips and Suns first come first server for Ford. Lol
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I'd take diaw b/c if Bosh triggers that knee injury again, he is there to fill in and he is will be a decent scorer if given more minutes.
He played almost thirty minutes a game last season. He just doesn't really get many touches in Pheonix behind Nash,Stoudamaire,Marion(before the trade),Shaq (after the trade),barbosa. He palyed the same minutes as Barbosa (29 min) yet Barbosa averaged 16 PPG.Diaw avg. 8.8PPG Taking into consideration that Diaw shot 48% from the field,he wasn't getting the touches.In Toronto he'd get at least 15-16PPG behind Bosh.
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Diaw was a bench player. 8.8 as a bencher? That's not bad considering he'd been only playing half a game.
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Diaw was a bench player. 8.8 as a bencher? That's not bad considering he'd been only playing half a game.
Yeah but he played nearly 30 minutes a game! So he wouldn't get much more here.Maybe 35-36 minutes.The thing is he'd get alot more touches because he'd be our second option behind Bosh!So his PPG average would double IMO!
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Diaw's not a bencher. Or else he would've been eligible for the Sixth Man Award no?
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Diaw's not a bencher. Or else he would've been eligible for the Sixth Man Award no?

He wasn't a starter but i also don't look at a 30 minute a night guy as a typical "Bencher".
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If we get either of them then I'm not really happy, but I could learn to accept a Diaw deal, and maybe even come to like it. Maggette is aggressive, but pretty one-dimensional, and Diaw is not aggressive enough, but very versatile. Colangelo would easily take Diaw based on his length, and who knows, maybe Sam can really turn him into a nice all-around player.
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Colangelo would easily take Diaw based on his length, and who knows, maybe Sam can really turn him into a nice all-around player.
I'd like to see Sam turn Bargnani, or Graham into a nice player before i can belive he'll make in impact on Diaw's overall game.

Both trades are pluses, Maggette serves a bigger need tho, as a legitimate second option he'd take alot of pressure off of Bosh's shoulders, Diaw is more of a piece, this team needs more than just a nice, matchup piece.

Although i think Diaw could be more of a contributor on another team, i don't believe he'll ever be considered a second option
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Let me be more specific and say maybe Diaw can show more within a better system, particularly defensively.

Phil Jackson couldn't do anything with Kwame. So you want to tell me that he won't be able to do anything with anybody?
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Kwame Brown remains the biggest bust in NBA history. That is until Bargnani reaches his 9M a year contract.
Diaw was put on so they could rest Shaq/Marion. They didn't even try to feed Diaw. You wouldn't know what he can do unless you saw him do it. Look what he did to Duncan that one game in the playoffs.
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Sam Bowie, the guy draft before Jordan. He's the biggest bust.
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