•LX•: What Went Wrong is Over and Done
Old 03-04-2009, 12:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So what went wrong here? The fingers will point to Bosh, and some at Bargnani as the number one pick. Why can’t Bosh carry a team like Lebron or Wade? Why didn’t Bargnani add as much to this franchise as advertised? Here’s a thought to mull over: when things were going pretty good here (as far back as last season in relative terms) - there was some indication that Bosh could in fact carry a team that didn’t really have a load of talent, and Bargnani has contributed pretty well whenever the other pieces fit.

Now look at this season. Bosh actually took things to a whole new level coming out of the gate. Then JO was supposed to be about doing all the little things and leading on the defensive end. Calderon was supposed to reach new heights with the “difficulties” that came along with figuring out whether he should start or come off the bench being solved. Jose was being handed an important role on this team, and was expected to respond accordingly, without having to worry about looking over his shoulder or whose team this was to run. Bargnani was expected to be able to come off the bench and find a comfort level as a bona fide big man and not a 7-footer that parks his ass beyond the arc. And the rest of the roles were expected to fall in line accordingly. Bosh did his part. Bargnani, with a series of new but less essential role than before has more than done his part in most cases. The guys with new and essential roles just fell flat. For whatever reason. We got more out of the pg position in the past. We got at least some signs of defensive improvements in the past. You toss those things out the window and that leaves the two guys that have filled their roles well, being left to make up for roles that have largely been abandoned.

Marion could be a revelation in that he fills the kind of role that has been overlooked a little too much. He is quick to the ball, simply provides energy the entire time he is on the court, and makes good decisions with and without the ball. Given some time, I also think he could be a missing link in the defensive chain. The lack of that guy with a good motor has hurt this team on defense as much as a lack of toughness (maybe moreso - Shaq’s night of BBQ aside). Maybe with Marion we get to see Bosh carry this team a little more again. But we’ll only get a glimmer if anything. Right now there’s still nothing that’s been decided as to what this team’s identity should be. Bosh has that knee brace on, and I personally am not hoping to see him put himself in a position to make that knee worse right now in meaningless games. I mean seriously - is anyone really going to rejoice if he plays like he did in November for the rest of the season, while risking more damage to do so, and achieving nothing of any use in terms of the standings? Let’s just hope to see a little chemistry develop, a few players continuing to develop, and some idea that the guys who have done their jobs pretty well on a terribly incomplete and unbalanced team with little depth in vital areas, can come back with a clean slate and provide real pieces to a vision that doesn’t get yo-yoed all season as to what advantages this team is meant to take advantage of.

All the while I will hear “fuck him”, “trade him”, “never going to work” in regards to Bosh and Bargnani and the two of them on the court together, and I’ll grit my teeth and bear it while waiting for it all to be blown up as many would wish, or simply given a different script with more prominence given to roles that have proven reliable, and the right systems in place to allow for those roles to carry everyone to the finish line every night.

The biggest problem this season has been with the points of emphasis coming in, and those points of emphasis then being shifted all over the place. Too much emphasis was placed on unproven ideas about what certain players could do, and the guys that have proven themselves have then suffered from the most and loudest signs of dissatisfaction, particularly a guy like Chris Bosh who if nothing else has shown himself to be remarkably consistent, able to play hurt, and pretty upbeat in the face of constant collective beatdowns. This team is not that much different than the Heat from a season ago. The star player looks a little helpless and spent, and there’s loads of speculation about him wanting out at some point. The holes are too big for one or two guys to compensate for. Injuries have hardly helped. And they even got to add Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks to the roster. A similar turnaround could come as well,and even without blowing it all up. That still doesn’t bring us all up to par with this season’s expectations, but I’ll take it and run with it all the same.
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Very well said LX. I like the different perspective.
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Old 03-04-2009, 01:00 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Yep. I loved that. it was bang on.
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Old 03-04-2009, 02:06 AM   #4 (permalink)
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easy with the Devlinism Bmats haha

nice read LX
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Old 03-04-2009, 03:09 AM   #5 (permalink)
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No mentioning of Colangelo?

He rolled the dice by getting O'neal who has a 21 million contract this year. It didn't work out well. Another reason was Calderon's injury. We didn't have a solid backup for him. Again that relates to the bad trade.

The worst thing is that we could become a contender with the right moves but now we might lose our best player.
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Old 03-04-2009, 08:00 AM   #6 (permalink)
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No mentioning of Colangelo?

He rolled the dice by getting O'neal who has a 21 million contract this year. It didn't work out well. Another reason was Calderon's injury. We didn't have a solid backup for him. Again that relates to the bad trade.

The worst thing is that we could become a contender with the right moves but now we might lose our best player.
The first part is done, there's no going back, and I like that the worst part is there, because it means that BC has to do a lot better to keep it from happening.
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Old 03-04-2009, 11:14 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I've said it before and i'll mention it again... Jose and TJ should have stopped complaining... we pay them to play be it coming off the bench or starting...
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Old 03-04-2009, 11:19 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Marion trade looks like a good move on the paper because we have a center who can play outside and nail treys. Hopefully it works out and we also pick a good SG who can contribute right away.
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Old 03-04-2009, 02:34 PM   #9 (permalink)
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the majority of people liked the JO trade, so I don't see how you can call it stupid. Just because it backfired, it doesnt' mean it was a stupid trade. If we sign Bosh to a max contract and the next day he has a career ending injury, does that make the signing a mistake?

The main issue this season was Jose imo. While he's a great shooter, he seems to be very incompetent as a shot creator. Our two main shot creators right now are Bosh and Bargnani, which is not a normal situation. Right now this team desperately needs a shooting guard who can create his own shot. If we had that, we'd improve by severals orders of magnitude ... Unfortunately, I don't see how we could obtain him without sacrificing marion.
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Old 03-04-2009, 03:29 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Very true and real review of the season. However, you forget that the starting five (Jose, Bosh, Bargnani, Parker + Marion) is basically the core of the team from previous years.

While I didnt expect them to magically improve and go all the way, if nothing they should have been able to win more games due to their chemistry. This whole season they got two (2!) wins against good teams (mostly not due to them) and havent been able to beat even the mediocre ones consistently.

You cant blame the new players brought in as they were mostly hurt or not a factor and in my opinion did their job (gave a breeder to starters w/o getting into huge -). Those core 4 players proved to be almost a non-competitive unit in today's NBA.
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Old 03-04-2009, 07:04 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Bargnani has fallen flat?

He's turned into a 20 & 7 player who can play solid defense with his feet, box out, and block shots. He can shoot the 3, drive the paint, and go to the foul line. I'll agree he DID come out flat for the first half of the season at least. Problem is our record hasn't improved even though he has. This team has some serious problems beyond Bargs.
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Old 03-05-2009, 03:14 AM   #12 (permalink)
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With the JO trade we got a player for 21 millions who has a bad knee and marginally better than Nesterovic at this stage of his career. We gave away a fine PG who we could trade for a good player and keep Nesterovic who would do a similar job to JO if not better. It was a huge gamble and most people like gambling because it is exciting and when you win you get something big. Usually ends up pretty bad though.
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With the JO trade we got a player for 21 millions who has a bad knee and marginally better than Nesterovic at this stage of his career. We gave away a fine PG who we could trade for a good player and keep Nesterovic who would do a similar job to JO if not better. It was a huge gamble and most people like gambling because it is exciting and when you win you get something big. Usually ends up pretty bad though.
tj ford has way more injury concerns compared to JO and has played only 7 games more than JO this season. There's a very high likelihood that TJ will retire before JO, despite being signficantly younger.

as far as trading tj for a good player, what player was that? And why wasn't it offered when we put TJ on the market??? Tj had to be traded, and JO was by far the best offer - if you have inside information to the contrary, please ... do tell.
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Old 03-05-2009, 08:35 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I dont care what people say are main issue above all else is defense, we need defense if we can get stops then offense will take care of its self, a defensive team is a threat to ever team ever night, besides we have a lot of people who can score. Are best option would be to draft a shooting guard that can create his own shot then focus on defense.
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