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Old 07-10-2012, 01:21 AM   #81 (permalink)
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We have a player who can actually break down the opposing D, can rebound quite well and quite well for his position + size, a player who is a solid defender, he gets to the line, gets teammates involved and lastly can get to the line too. I think Lowry is by far the raps best player right now.
But can he get to the line?
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Old 07-10-2012, 02:32 AM   #82 (permalink)
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people say spending 10 mill for jose to back up is crazy, but right now lowry is getting paid 5 mill, which is backup money. so it works out, cuz we can re sign jose to a better contract after this year, but spending 15 mill in total for 48 min of solid playing time from your pg is not bad at all
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Rofl@overdribbling. Please tell me who Calderon was supposed to pass the ball to. Bargs was out most of the year and this "overdribbler" finished 4th in the league in assists with one of the lowest turnover ratios with a scrub lineup without one legitimate threat to create their own shot. I'm sure with Marc and Pau Gasol he won't have a problem with his overdribbling ways at the olympics.
Let's see ... Without Bargs his choices last year were dd who shows up to play every 5th game, jj who thinks he's 500 times better than he is, Amir Johnson who gets every basket from a perfect pass from him, etc. OR "overdribble" ... Put the ball in the hands of our best shooter and 88% ft shooter everytime plz.
Lucky he's a team guy ... anyone with any kind of ego wouldn't bother passing and scored 25ppg.
Jose has his faults, his contract is too much but that's not his fault and yes d but not much worse than anyone else on the raps and of the 5 positions the pg defense is the lowest concern, but he's definitely the smartest player on the team, takes care of the ball, shoots extremely well esp. from the ft line and is a fantastic teammate that almost never whines or complains even tho he prolly should.
I'm a huge fan defense but if u ask me if I want a pg that has a weakness ... I'd choose a weaker defending pg vs a brainless pg, a bad ft shooting pg or a turnover prone pg all much worse. I'd b much more upset with a weak defending c,pf,sf,sg ... O wait ...
Btw pg's that don't have a weakness usually end up in the hall of fame and make a hella lot more than 10mill.
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Old 07-10-2012, 09:35 AM   #84 (permalink)
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Having a solid PG tandem can be a great strength in the league. I like to focus on the positives and having these two run the offense for the whole game will be a nice welcome change.

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Old 07-10-2012, 10:13 AM   #85 (permalink)
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And you know this because...? If I were to guess his conflict didn't stop with the coach but extended to anyone in authority. His disrespect of female authority plus how he handled himself with Mchale on the court was quite disrespectful.
Why do you say that? how do you know about his respect or lack thereof for authority? because he didn't get a long with McHale who is an idiot? because he had ONE incident where he got angry, said some bad words and threw a basketball? that makes him a bona-fide head case now? a mini-mike tyson? a man against authority? I don't see it. You make it sound like he's a misogynist woman hater.

People make errors in judgment. Basketball players get emotional and have day to day
problems just like everyone else. Everyone makes stupid mistakes.
I don't get how one incident + not getting along with a bonehead coach makes you a headcase.
(I personally think it was Mchale who disrespected Lowry)

Do you have anything else to base your assumptions on? Not trying to be a shit, just genuinely curious.
I've been trying to find more "incidents" or "proof" that he is a nut case, an anger management problem
or whatever but I just can't see it other than the one isolated incident and not getting along with the
ego maniac Kevin Mchale.

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I don't understand some of you posters, many people were begging for the Raps to acquire Lowry....now that he's here,I hear so much negative comments about his play and character.

Given the equal opportunity,what makes you think that he can't perform every bit of the level Calderon has and better? No one is saying he's Toronto's saviour but he can definitely help this team improve,isn't that the main focus?

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I don't understand some of you posters, many people were begging for the Raps to acquire Lowry....now that he's here,I hear so much negative comments about his play and character.

Given the equal opportunity,what makes you think that he can't perform every bit of the level Calderon has and better? No one is saying he's Toronto's saviour but he can definitely help this team improve,isn't that the main focus?
I surely was not begging ! We were set at the point guard position with Calderon and Bayless. As a matter of fact Calderon was last years MVP for the Raptors. We have a huge hole at the SF position and still lack a center with some hops and is a constant shot block threat. Lowry is another TJ,Jack and Bayless all this freaking hype....sad thing is that many posters always get sucked in. There is only a 4 year differance in age between Caldy and Lowry. I will refuse to be sucked into the fantasy that Lowry is the anwer.....The Raptor organization are saying the right things...Delvin, Armstrong etc etc they all have to say the right things. We just gave away a 1st rounder for a guy that really has done squat other then show he has attitude. Surely he will not be a role model for the young kids in Toronto.....hes been charged in the courts and he has served time. Just can wait to say to all that i was right again.
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I don't understand some of you posters, many people were begging for the Raps to acquire Lowry....now that he's here,I hear so much negative comments about his play and character.

Given the equal opportunity,what makes you think that he can't perform every bit of the level Calderon has and better? No one is saying he's Toronto's saviour but he can definitely help this team improve,isn't that the main focus?
mehhh, most want him here. And everyone safe a few know Lowry is an upgrade over mr. pylon. whatever.
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I surely was not begging ! We were set at the point guard position with Calderon and Bayless. As a matter of fact Calderon was last years MVP for the Raptors. We have a huge hole at the SF position and still lack a center with some hops and is a constant shot block threat. Lowry is another TJ,Jack and Bayless all this freaking hype....sad thing is that many posters always get sucked in. There is only a 4 year differance in age between Caldy and Lowry. I will refuse to be sucked into the fantasy that Lowry is the anwer.....The Raptor organization are saying the right things...Delvin, Armstrong etc etc they all have to say the right things. We just gave away a 1st rounder for a guy that really has done squat other then show he has attitude. Surely he will not be a role model for the young kids in Toronto.....hes been charged in the courts and he has served time. Just can wait to say to all that i was right again.
Wow. Jaw on the floor.

Lowry has served time? Lowry is a jailbird??

Lowry has by far the best contract in the league. The value for production is unmatchable other than vs a few studs still on their initial rookie deals.

This post is ridiculous in so many ways. Troll?
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Wow. Jaw on the floor.

Lowry has served time? Lowry is a jailbird??

Lowry has by far the best contract in the league. The value for production is unmatchable other than vs some studs on their initial rookie deals.

This post is ridiculous in so many ways. Troll?
agenda

the guy posts about absolutely no other topic unless jose is somehow involved.
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mehhh, most want him here. And everyone safe a few know Lowry is an upgrade over mr. pylon. whatever.
a marginal upgrade indeed!

I'm excited for Lowry now that he is here, though I'm concerned that we're still not good enough to compete in the east without a stud wing to play alongside Ross.
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a marginal upgrade indeed!

I'm excited for Lowry now that he is here, though I'm concerned that we're still not good enough to compete in the east without a stud wing to play alongside Ross.
upgrade, more than marginal. but yes, unless we get a 3 we're not going far even with lowry who is a CLEAR upgrade. Ross? He'll be lucky to play 20mpg.

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a marginal upgrade indeed!

I'm excited for Lowry now that he is here, though I'm concerned that we're still not good enough to compete in the east without a stud wing to play alongside Ross.



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agenda

the guy posts about absolutely no other topic unless jose is somehow involved.
And consistently wrong.
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And consistently wrong.
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upgrade, more than marginal. but yes, unless we get a 3 we're not going far even with lowry who is a CLEAR upgrade. Ross? He'll be lucky to play 20mpg.
don't disagree with me Jeff, you're better than that!



Lowry in place of Jose means we win at best 5 more games..... add Iggy or Gay, now we're talking..... if only these others cats saw what we see.

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Lowry in place of Jose means we win at best 5 more games..... add Iggy or Gay, now we're talking..... if only these others cats saw what we see.

How did i disagree?

It's more than a marginal upgrade, but without a stud SF we're going nowhere in the much improved east. I guess that's partially agreeing with you.
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I love Jose...but Lowry is what this team needs going forward, not Jose. Jose would be the perfect backup on any team and would welcome him back as a backup with a better contract on this team.

Raptor123 is trolling on a huge level here...
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Why do you say that? how do you know about his respect or lack thereof for authority? because he didn't get a long with McHale who is an idiot? because he had ONE incident where he got angry, said some bad words and threw a basketball? that makes him a bona-fide head case now? a mini-mike tyson? a man against authority? I don't see it. You make it sound like he's a misogynist woman hater.

People make errors in judgment. Basketball players get emotional and have day to day
problems just like everyone else. Everyone makes stupid mistakes.
I don't get how one incident + not getting along with a bonehead coach makes you a headcase.
(I personally think it was Mchale who disrespected Lowry)

Do you have anything else to base your assumptions on? Not trying to be a shit, just genuinely curious.
I've been trying to find more "incidents" or "proof" that he is a nut case, an anger management problem
or whatever but I just can't see it other than the one isolated incident and not getting along with the
ego maniac Kevin Mchale.
My assumption is in retort to anothers assumption - honestly either way doesn't matter, I like Lowry and I think this team needs his competitiveness and drive and attitude. I'm hoping it's a contagious disease for the team.
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How did i disagree?

It's more than a marginal upgrade, but without a stud SF we're going nowhere in the much improved east. I guess that's partially agreeing with you.
just a playful jab.... we both agree on the gay iggy issue... not that there's anything wrong with that!

Come on, anyone? That's a killer reference! I should just leave on top!
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