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Old 01-03-2014, 12:22 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Ford was a near allstar before Horford got a hold of him. He was better than Jose before that.
everyone is a near all star for us.. until they don't make the all star team of course..
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Old 01-03-2014, 11:32 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Ford was a near allstar before Horford got a hold of him. He was better than Jose before that.
Bargs was a near allstar before his injury couple of seasons ago (you know the famous 13 games).

And I would say that same thing also goes for Lowry still. He has been great for last few weeks and wasnt that bad during the begining of the season either. But last year he sucked outside the few good shooting games in start of the season. So at this moment on average he hasnt been that great. I really hope he continues playing like this though and shows he really is a top 5 PG for this franchise or even the best we've ever had.

For the rest, I think its hard to compare. I didnt follow Raptors when Alvin and Damon played and Ford/Jack didnt really play that long for the team in comparison to Jose. Jose was good for many years, but did have his weak spots. Still I think he was never clearly worse than any of the guys that were brought in as starting PG. Usually he was better in my opinion (which Im sure Jeff disagrees with ).

On talent level Ford might have been better than Jose, but he didnt get to play too long and never became that important for franchise. On the other hand on talent level Hakeem is the best player to play for Raps.
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Ford was a near allstar before Horford got a hold of him. He was better than Jose before that.
yeah, but he wasn't as good as lowry this season. Ford was very quick and had developed a nice jumper, but he was average on D, worse than lowry in point guard skills and didn't have the toughness that lowry brings (most games). As for 3pt shooting, don't remember if he even tried shooting those

the only two things he did better than kyle were mid range shooting and getting to the rim.
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yeah, but he wasn't as good as lowry this season. Ford was very quick and had developed a nice jumper, but he was average on D, worse than lowry in point guard skills and didn't have the toughness that lowry brings (most games). As for 3pt shooting, don't remember if he even tried shooting those

the only two things he did better than kyle were mid range shooting and getting to the rim.
Ford was a bad 3PT shooter. While here he averaged 30%, and only took 1 attempt from 3 per game. He's a career 29 3PT%
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Old 01-03-2014, 01:57 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Lowry is great thus far but let's not forget that he wasn't really all that great last season, excluding the first 3 games of the season. Consistency is the key, which he hasn't shown yet over a stretch of 2-3 seasons. It's also a contract year for him, which explains why he plays out of his mind.
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Lowry is great thus far but let's not forget that he wasn't really all that great last season, excluding the first 3 games of the season. Consistency is the key, which he hasn't shown yet over a stretch of 2-3 seasons. It's also a contract year for him, which explains why he plays out of his mind.
he was very good in houston for two years prior to coming here and last season he fought injuries the first half of the season and finished on a strong note imo.
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he was very good in houston for two years prior to coming here and last season he fought injuries the first half of the season and finished on a strong note imo.
People also got to remember along with his injuries the talent that is around him now is much better than last years. Plus, the team chemistry has gone up which is going to help not only his overall play, but others as well.
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Where's Lowry? I heard he's top 10 easily?? O I forgot he had a bad year so this year he's only top 15 with Rubio, Wall, Conley and Lawson ... Not much difference there ... Lol ...
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Lucky this guy is a top 10 pg in the NBA.
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I love that KL fanboys make ridiculous claims about his ability and attack posters that disagree and when they've been proven wrong they decide instead of accepting the ridicule that they so readily dish out they cry about it. Lol
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Kyle Lowry is not even a top 20 PG in this league.
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Another great defensive effort by our top 10 NBA pg ... Held Conley to only 29 ... Lucky we "upgraded" our pg defense
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Lucky we have a top 10 NBA pg that is an awesome defender
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Lucky lowry is "easily a top 10 pg" in the NBA. Lol ...
I wouldn't get so riled up from comments from lowry fanboys that are deluded about his ability. Again, he's a barely starting to backup pg in the NBA, not close to worth a lottery pick in even a weak draft and especially not a team that should be tanking.

^ Wonder where this schmuck went, awfully quiet lately. Still think he's raptor123
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^ Wonder where this schmuck went, awfully quiet lately. Still think he's raptor123
It definitely is for sure. I wonder if he has followed Calderon over to the Mavs fan forum. Either way, he is their problem now, not ours.
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Old 01-03-2014, 10:46 PM   #30 (permalink)
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there was a ton of lowry haters last season. i cannot count the amount of times i heard "lowry isn't a team guy"..."lowry has a bad attitude"..."lowry is a coach's headcase"

i knew he was out of shape last season, but i never got down on the guy's compete level, professionalism and team game.
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Old 01-03-2014, 10:55 PM   #31 (permalink)
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It's not about haters, but he did have issues with McHale in Houston.
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It's not about haters, but he did have issues with McHale in Houston.
so?
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It's not about haters, but he did have issues with McHale in Houston.
the haters kept point it out (among other BS) when he was struggling last season. i remember distinctly.
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^ Wonder where this schmuck went, awfully quiet lately. Still think he's raptor123
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:48 AM   #35 (permalink)
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It's not about haters, but he did have issues with McHale in Houston.
I have to agree with Jeffb....So?

McHale is a big boy, he can handle KL. I think Houston found themselves in the same spot MU is finding himself. You have a player that will be under paid at contract's end BUT with the new CBA you can't extend him or sign him for the money that UFA would bring him. KL can make more money by playing hard and letting his contract fully expire - Morey knew that, MU knows that, other teams know that and more importantly Lowry knows that. The sour relationship between KL/McHale just cemented the fact that they couldn't risk KL's contract ending and having him sign elsewhere with no return. So what does Morey do? He peddled him for a 1st rounder and we all know where that pick went - for Harden - but that window for a trade like that is now closed. If Morey kept KL, Morey would be in the same spot MU is finding himself - having a player that has exceeded his current contract's extension ability - placing the team in a position where the odds of re signing him are nil and the longer a team waits to trade that player the more of a 'rental' that player becomes for the new team.

So now what? As DanH stated, KL will get around 7mil from the Raptors regardless if he extends now or in June thanks to the CBA. So if KL wants to make 10-12mil a year (I think he's worth close to that) then KL WILL HAVE to hit the open market this summer cause he won't get it from any team including the Raps while he plays out his last year. Not exactly enticing to other teams - including the Knicks.

Under those parameters, as a GM, would you risk it?? Would you risk trading a high pick or a 1st or 2nd year player that has shown big time upside for a player that you absolutely know resigning in-season won't happen; as it's in the best interest for KL to wait till the summer. I sure wouldn't.

Under these parameters, if KL is traded, then I would expect MUs ability to judge talent will be put to the test - as I can see only players that were recently drafted or where teams gave up on them too soon as the type of players that MU would get back. Or at the least, net more role players with upside like Rudy netted the team (that's not bad at all considering the impact those players had on the team).

With the 2014 draft, multiple teams acting like the Titanic and KL dramatically exceeding his current expiring contract's ability to extend does nothing but lower KL's true value to the Raptors in a trade. I think the only way the Raptors will get true value for Lowry is to let him finish out the season and hope that a winning culture has been established enough to re sign him here - then you can trade him if you want next year. It's a big risk but play GM on another team - would you send something of value away for no long term benefits? (at least more than a few months?)

Honestly, Morey out smarted BC by transferring his future problem to the Raptors that MU will now have to be very creative to fix.

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everyone is a near all star for us.. until they don't make the all star team of course..
Hey, no one here over-values our players......
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Where would you rank Lowry in a list of the greatest point guards in Raptors franchise history?

I'd put him as our 3rd best PG (behind Damon and Alvin) in terms of talent alone.

Maybe put down your own top 10 or top 5 list.
I would say that Lowry is better then Alvin ever was. Alvin is overrated because he was playing during a very exciting time for the franchise. Not to mention, Alvin had his career cut short due to injury. I love Alvin as a player, great hustler and player, but I think Kyle is much more talented then Alvin was. I think if Kyle sticks around and keeps improving he could potentially pass Damon as one of the top. Dude should seriously be considered for the all star team, defensive player of the year, and potentially make one of the all NBA teams. I do not recall Alvin having a season this good.
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Old 01-04-2014, 03:36 PM   #38 (permalink)
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He's playing great I just don't see it happening late in the season he has moments of good play so hopefully he keeps up I want that 3rd seed!
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If the raps get 3rd, and if the raps go to the second round, he may very well be the best PG this team has ever had considering those accomplishments and that he was the team's best player in doing so.
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