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Old 06-28-2012, 01:24 AM   #81 (permalink)
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I'm not about to settle for Lowry, we need a better back court. If we had a beast in the back court with him then I would say okay trade the pick, but we have DeRozan... and he is not the answer.

A lowry/DeRozan back court just sucks, talk about years of more mediocrity .
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:25 AM   #82 (permalink)
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I am pretty sure that there will be players selected at #8 and lower that will end up being better than Lowry. In basketball, the team that gets the better player generally wins the trade, especially if the better player has a better contract.

So, if the Raptors decide to trade Lowry for #8, then basically they are saying that they are not confident in their draft selection and would rather take the sure thing. That's okay, but it is the conservative move.

By the way, I've just quickly looked at the #8+ picks in the past several drafts to illustrate that better players than Lowry are almost always available.

2010 Paul George (#10)
2009 Jrue Holiday (#17)
2008 Brook Lopez (#10)
2007 Joakim Noah (#9)
2006 Rudy Gay (#8)
2005 Andrew Bynum (#10)
2004 Andre Iguodala (#9)
2003 David West (#18)
2002 Amare Stoudemire (#9)
2001 Joe Johnson (#10)
2000 Jamal Crawford (#8) *crappiest draft*
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:25 AM   #83 (permalink)
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What would Nash do for Toronto basketball?
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:26 AM   #84 (permalink)
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I don't think he'll be an all-star either. But he is a young, solid PG on a modest contract. The Raps could do worse. For me, it all comes down to what they have to give up to acquire him.
Agree, we don't necessarily need players to be all-stars if we have a bunch a solid pieces that compliment each other. (teams like denver or pacers are perfect examples) and all we know with time we can get lucky and JV or pick that we would get from Houston could turn in to all-star
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I'm not about to settle for Lowry, .
As if you have a say. lol
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:29 AM   #86 (permalink)
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I'm not about to settle for Lowry, we need a better back court. If we had a beast in the back court with him then I would say okay trade the pick, but we have DeRozan... and he is not the answer.

A lowry/DeRozan back court just sucks, talk about years of more mediocrity .

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What would Nash do for Toronto basketball?
A lot. There are different reasons for wanting BC to do certain moves. Nash involves some serious pluses and potential minuses but the pluses could be big.

my humble opinion

Pluses

- good character vet, with lots of winning experience to help teach

-respectability for the franchise/playoff appearance

-people might stop laughing at Toronto for a while

- might attract another useful singing

-increase trade value of bench players you're looking to move later on (the "nash effect")

-doesn't cost us the #8 pick to get him

Minuses

-not a longterm solution/only helps for 2 years, maybe 3

-the team might treadmill at 7th-9th in the conference and get poorer draft positioning for two seasons while also not winning anything significant

-age possibly catches up with him, he gets injured, we suck for 2 years while he eats cap space, and miss out on the alternative plans

The last one is only a possiblity though
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I just want all the speculation to end.

Bring on the draft and July 1st-11th .
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:47 AM   #89 (permalink)
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A lot. There are different reasons for wanting BC to do certain moves. Nash involves some serious pluses and potential minuses but the pluses could be big.

my humble opinion

Pluses

- good character vet, with lots of winning experience to help teach

-respectability for the franchise/playoff appearance

-people might stop laughing at Toronto for a while

- might attract another useful singing

-increase trade value of bench players you're looking to move later on (the "nash effect")

-doesn't cost us the #8 pick to get him

Minuses

-not a longterm solution/only helps for 2 years, maybe 3

-the team might treadmill at 7th-9th in the conference and get poorer draft positioning for two seasons while also not winning anything significant

-age possibly catches up with him, he gets injured, we suck for 2 years while he eats cap space, and miss out on the alternative plans

The last one is only a possiblity though
I agree, I just wanted to see what he thought.

Steve Nash is a great player. Hands down the best player from Canada to ever play the game(or at least make the NBA). I just don't think he's our answer. The guy is 38 and a half years old. I know he seems like he'll play for another decade the way he's going, but we all know that isn't happening. He'll play another 2 years tops IMO. The guy will hit 10k assists next year, and will probably pass Magic and Mark Jackson(as long as he can average 5.1 assists per game and play all 82). He's done everything he could ever want, except win a championship. Why he would want to come here, when he could win a championship with OKC or the Heat is beyond me. Patriotic I guess.

Lowry could come in and fit with our young core we have, and still play good ball. He isn't Steve Nash, but he's going to score 15-20 points, 5-7 assists and play good D. And we don't have to use up all of our cap to get him. Nash made almost 12 million last season. We have 11 million in cap. Even if he takes a hit, we still have limited wiggle room on our quest for a SF.
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:51 AM   #90 (permalink)
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I was asking a question. I wasn't saying it in a tone like " JEEEESH what could Nash EVER do for this team!?!?!!?"

more like

"What is everyones thoughts on the impact and effect Steve Nash could have on this organization?"
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:38 AM   #91 (permalink)
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there's a fella by the name of Jeremy in NYC already
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damn all this speculation, i hope lowry becomes a raptor


i would much rather have a lowry, 16th pick then the 8th pick, every draft is different you could probably snag a future allstar if your scouting is done right at 16 its one of those kinds of draft not much seperates 12 to 20
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Nash is looking for $, so he's not signing there. Plus Woodson already named Lin starting PG.
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damn all this speculation, i hope lowry becomes a raptor


i would much rather have a lowry, 16th pick then the 8th pick, every draft is different you could probably snag a future allstar if your scouting is done right at 16 its one of those kinds of draft not much seperates 12 to 20
good thing we have the eighth pick and not the 12th
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This thread has blown up post wise since it was posted. And that was at like 10 oclock. We'll be at 20 pages by 3 pm
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Old 06-28-2012, 04:15 AM   #97 (permalink)
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Could someone please get some advanced metrics in the mix?

My personal feeling is that Lowry before injury was more productive than Nash. His game is similar to Rondo. And he developed a killer jumpshot and is not afraid to use it.

Signing Nash is a PR move that everybody expects of us. The only intangible he would bring is his bad spine.

PG from the draft? Not funny. Takes time to develop even if you get lucky.
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Old 06-28-2012, 04:22 AM   #98 (permalink)
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I read on a Raptors Cage's FB status update that Colangelo said our target is a player mocked higher than #8 so they made an offer to move up to #5. Is it true?
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Could someone please get some advanced metrics in the mix?

My personal feeling is that Lowry before injury was more productive than Nash. His game is similar to Rondo. And he developed a killer jumpshot and is not afraid to use it.

Signing Nash is a PR move that everybody expects of us. The only intangible he would bring is his bad spine.

PG from the draft? Not funny. Takes time to develop even if you get lucky.
Srsly?

I get if you don't want Nash here, but to say his " only intangible he would bring is his bad spine" is one of the most ludicrous things I've read on this forum.
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our target is a player mocked higher than #8 so they made an offer to move up to #5.
Barnes, or may be lillard?
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