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jeffb 01-31-2014 01:31 PM

Lowe: Some of Colangelo's key decisions don't look so bad now
 
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You want a real snub? Travel east to the league’s weaker conference, and take a gander at Kyle Lowry. His omission is one of the worst I can recall, and it’s safe to assume the league’s coaching fraternity is punishing Lowry for his well-chronicled run-ins with just about every coach he’s come across in Memphis, Houston, and even Toronto. Lowry is second among all Eastern Conference guards in PER, and considering the tiny gap between Lowry and the top guy (Dwyane Wade), and Wade’s 13 missed games, you could easily argue Lowry has been the best guard in the conference. John Wall, a deserving All-Star, is right there, but he’s really the only other guy in the discussion.
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DeMar DeRozan over Lowry is probably the wrong choice, but it’s at least semi-defensible in a weak field. DeRozan is still a poor shooter — 43 percent overall, 30 percent from deep — but he has made big strides as a defender and a passer, and he’s getting to the line a ton in a career season. He soaks up a huge load of possessions for a team that needs a fulcrum in a post–Rudy Gay world. I took Afflalo over DeRozan for my team, and I still would today, but I’m not throwing a fit about it. Johnson is the guy who doesn’t belong.
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It’s funny, by the way, how three of Bryan Colangelo’s key decisions in Toronto don’t look so bad now. DeRozan’s contract extension took widespread criticism, including here, and it’s still a bit too long and pricey for my taste. But if he keeps improving, he’ll live up to it, and Toronto could easily find a home for him via trade. Colangelo got Lowry for a pick that became Steven Adams, though of course a pick that juicy has larger value that just Adams; Houston used it as the key piece in the James Harden deal. Amir Johnson’s contract looks downright good now.

None of this erases the Andrea Bargnani stain, the Gay trade, or the insane Landry Fields contract. But the record is mixed, not one of total failure, and the record of almost every GM regresses to “mixed” over time.
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I addressed the cases of Lance Stephenson and Andre Drummond in my original piece, so I won’t reenter those debates here. The fact that something like 60 percent of respondents to TNT’s poll last night listed Stephenson as the most egregious snub over three other candidates, including Lowry, is interesting and probably reflective of how little attention anyone pays to the Raptors.
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LX 01-31-2014 01:46 PM

The whole piece is very good. Great perspective.

And it's very nice that the media at large are recognizing this snub.

0nekhmer 01-31-2014 02:02 PM

Joe Johnson was like #1 trending on Twitter yesterday. It was such an outrage. Like Barkley said "the coaches in the east just suck"

'trane 01-31-2014 02:15 PM

That sounds like good news for the raps. Less us exposure and the possibility that coaches are punishing him makes me optimistic about his market value.

jeffb 01-31-2014 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 862079)
That sounds like good news for the raps. Less us exposure and the possibility that coaches are punishing him makes me optimistic about his market value.

That and the fact that most or all the best teams he may want to go to have established PG's.

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu 01-31-2014 02:53 PM

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None of this erases the Andrea Bargnani stain, the Gay trade, or the insane Landry Fields contract. But the record is mixed, not one of total failure, and the record of almost every GM regresses to “mixed” over time.
Most key part of the article...including a few more terrible examples. He was right some of the time? You make me an NBA GM and "some of my decisions would not look so bad". Set the bar higher.

J-Bo 01-31-2014 02:55 PM

^exactly...great moves negated by some really bad ones making for a slightly below average team

fancylad 01-31-2014 03:18 PM

yup. some of his decisions don't look so bad and some of them look absolutely terrible. He was a bad GM.

Tommy C 01-31-2014 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fancylad (Post 862090)
yup. some of his decisions don't look so bad and some of them look absolutely terrible. He was a bad GM.

i.e Fields' contract.

jeffb 01-31-2014 03:22 PM

Mehhh, BC wasn't as bad as some make him out to be nor was he as good as most once thought he was. He was ok, no more no less...replaceable. Time to move on.

Tommy C 01-31-2014 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 862092)
Mehhh, BC wasn't as bad as some make him out to be nor was he as good as most once thought he was. He was ok, no more no less...replaceable. Time to move on.

OK? :lol:
His first 2 years were a fluke. He handled the Bosh saga terribly and all kind of odd signing and trades. For years I wanted him gone.

creative1mm 01-31-2014 04:10 PM

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OK?
His first 2 years were a fluke. He handled the Bosh saga terribly and all kind of odd signing and trades. For years I wanted him gone.
I like how aggressive he was at times, made off-seasons fun to watch.. until of-course, those big moves didn't workout during the season

but no matter how bad people say BC was.. Rob Babcock was the ultimate worse GM for Raps.. wasn't here that long but yet made so much damage

Tommy C 01-31-2014 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by creative1mm (Post 862096)
Rob Babcock was the ultimate worse GM for Raps.. wasn't here that long but yet made so much damage

True :yeah:

jeffb 01-31-2014 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommy C (Post 862094)
OK? :lol:
His first 2 years were a fluke. He handled the Bosh saga terribly and all kind of odd signing and trades. For years I wanted him gone.

Yeah, of course his successes were "flukes" and everything else was awful. I guess his drafting record sucks too? IMO 3 of the first 4 years he was here were fun before Bosh went down at the end of 2010. Should have been a playoff team 3 of those 4 years. I remember the 2009 offseason when he was making moves and people were praising everything he did and saying he was a magician. lol

The core group of this team right now, every single starter was brought here by Colangelo. I'm not saying he was great by any means, just that he made some good moves and decisions while being here. Just like his success prior to him coming here wasn't because of his father.

pzabby 01-31-2014 04:57 PM

Well said Jeff. Credit where it's due. Some on here talk about him in a rabcock ilk where he wasn't. He was an average gm at times and a very dumb gm at times. But he wasn't a donkey like rabcock

Aamir 01-31-2014 05:02 PM

Besides Kapono, Bargnani and Fields, all of BC's roster moves received a pretty favourable reaction. Either at the actual time of transaction or how it turned out.

For example:

Turkoglu signing at the time
Villanueva for Ford how it turned out
Ford for O'Neal at the time
Garbajosa signing how it turned out
Parker signing how it turned out
Kapano for Evans how it turned out
George for Belinelli at the time
Jack signing how it turned out
Delfino and Ukic for Amir and Weems how it turned out
Turkoglu for Barbosa trade how it turned out
Lowry for 1st how it turned out
Rudy for Davis, Calderon at the time
Drafting DD, Davis, JV and Ross how it turned out

It's all about hindsight. While he made some bad moves, I think he's a lot better than a lot of GM's out there.

Tommy C 01-31-2014 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 862099)
Yeah, of course his successes were "flukes" and everything else was awful. I guess his drafting record sucks too? IMO 3 of the first 4 years he was here were fun before Bosh went down at the end of 2010. Should have been a playoff team 3 of those 4 years. I remember the 2009 offseason when he was making moves and people were praising everything he did and saying he was a magician. lol

The core group of this team right now, every single starter was brought here by Colangelo. I'm not saying he was great by any means, just that he made some good moves and decisions while being here. Just like his success prior to him coming here wasn't because of his father.

The first 2 years that he was here and we made the playoffs were nowhere near success. We got our ass kicked by NJ and ORL, and couldn’t even get one W, nonetheless to advance to the second round. It was a success just because the division was weak.
Then he drafted Bargs while we already had Bosh as a PF, brought in JO who was also more of a PF than a C… then traded him for Marion, actually a good move to rectify the JO trade, then there was a chatter of bringing Marion back. IIRC he tried to get an idea what’s Marion value and at the end went with Turk for a stupid contract. He traded good pieces such as Jack and Bellineli just because he had no patience to see how they pan out. He handled Bosh situation poorly, everyone knew Bosh is gonna walk since he didn’t say a word, it was just up there.
Drafting aside, it seems like he was always decent at drafting players and I always mentioned that, now did he or he just knew how to hire the right scouts?
He drafted DD which was a good move and JV and TR. All seem like solid picks.
At the end both the coach and the players underperformed when he was at the helm.

Rene_13 01-31-2014 05:13 PM

I don't know how Jonas isn't being mentioned as one of BC's best moves. BC got booed for drafting JV by the majority of the fans at the draft party, many, including myself, were dismayed by the pick. Partly because of being burned by Bargs. But it has turned out to be a fantastic choice.

jeffb 01-31-2014 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommy C (Post 862107)
The first 2 years that he was here and we made the playoffs were nowhere near success. We got our ass kicked by NJ and ORL, and couldn’t even get one W, nonetheless to advance to the second round. It was a success just because the division was weak.

Yes the division was weak, sounds like this season......doesn't change the fact that we won 47 games many vs very good teams. It's not like we only play games within our division. He took a 27 win team in the same shit division and gutted the team and they won 47 games...anyway you want to spin that it's a success.

You going to say this season has been a fluke?


For me BC's trades for the most part were solid, his drafting was solid....where he failed was his signings with FA's. Which has always been a failure here. Good luck to MU when it comes to signing a big name player here.

Rene_13 01-31-2014 05:51 PM

Another thing about the Kapono move. He had Salmons locked up until he backed out of the deal. Then he went out and signed Kapono. Salmons would have made a huge difference for us back then. He's regressed since then and has made a positive impact for us this season.


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