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Old 01-31-2014, 05:04 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Mehhh, BC wasn't as bad as some make him out to be nor was he as good as most once thought he was. He was ok, no more no less...replaceable. Time to move on.
I agree. But I'm sure he had a smile on his face when DD was selected an all star he was his biggest supporter from day one. At the end of the day if he could have gotten away from Barg earlier I would say his tenure would have seemed more favourable than negative
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Old 01-31-2014, 05:04 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Another thing about the Kapono move. He had Salmons locked up until he backed out of the deal. Then he went out and signed Kapono. Salmons would have made a huge difference for us back then. He's regressed since then and has made a positive impact for us this season.
I think Salmons happened with Fred Jones. But yeah, if Salmons committed, we probably would have advanced past NJ that year.

We were also linked with Pietrus when Kapono signed, not exactly sure what happened then.
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Old 01-31-2014, 06:56 PM   #23 (permalink)
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The difference between 6-13 and 13-6 plus an additional 1st round pick and ALL our future picks still here was getting rid of Bargs and Gay. BC could NEVER do what it took and if he was still here, they would be here, we would not have all our picks, and he would trade away the remainder of the good pieces we have now for bad pieces, as he tried to build around the wrong pieces like he always did. He had high picks and should have drafted even better and this team should have been better. This forum could have drafted just as well.


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Well said Jeff. Credit where it's due. Some on here talk about him in a rabcock ilk where he wasn't. He was an average gm at times and a very dumb gm at times. But he wasn't a donkey like rabcock
Like I said.. it would be nice to aim higher than a total donkey!

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Old 01-31-2014, 07:03 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Yes the division was weak, sounds like this season......doesn't change the fact that we won 47 games many vs very good teams. It's not like we only play games within our division. He took a 27 win team in the same shit division and gutted the team and they won 47 games...anyway you want to spin that it's a success.

You going to say this season has been a fluke?.
This season is no fluke because the team has been improving since DC took over Triano, especially on D while developing the young core.

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Old 01-31-2014, 07:27 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Most people hate on the Bargs pick...But that year was terrible. Lamarcus and Bargs are like the only people left in the top 8 it seems. Should have pick Aldridge, but no one knew he had this much potential.
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Most people hate on the Bargs pick...But that year was terrible. Lamarcus and Bargs are like the only people left in the top 8 it seems. Should have pick Aldridge, but no one knew he had this much potential.
people don't hate on the pick as much as on the failure to admit the mistake and realize what his presence does for the team.
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Old 01-31-2014, 07:36 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Most people hate on the Bargs pick...But that year was terrible. Lamarcus and Bargs are like the only people left in the top 8 it seems. Should have pick Aldridge, but no one knew he had this much potential.
Rudy Gay.

I actually think he would be a perfect fit for this roster right now.
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Old 01-31-2014, 07:40 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I think Salmons happened with Fred Jones. But yeah, if Salmons committed, we probably would have advanced past NJ that year.

We were also linked with Pietrus when Kapono signed, not exactly sure what happened then.
Sorry. You're absolutely right. I completely forgot about Fred Jones. He may have even had less of an impact than Kapono.
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Most people hate on the Bargs pick...But that year was terrible. Lamarcus and Bargs are like the only people left in the top 8 it seems. Should have pick Aldridge, but no one knew he had this much potential.
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I said like top 8...Just seems like almost no one from that draft is left lol...3,4,5,6 all out of the league lol and Foye was not a top consideration lol.
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Most people hate on the Bargs pick...But that year was terrible. Lamarcus and Bargs are like the only people left in the top 8 it seems. Should have pick Aldridge, but no one knew he had this much potential.
LMA would have actually been an easier pick/sell than Bargs. He was/is good friends with Bosh, was a polished player coming out of a big program in college and had good size and skill. And at least he actually seemed to give a chit about rebounding and playing D.

Bargnani was just a bad, bad reach for B.C.

I'm still not convinced that any other GM would've taken him at #1.
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LMA would have actually been an easier pick/sell than Bargs. He was/is good friends with Bosh, was a polished player coming out of a big program in college and had good size and skill. And at least he actually seemed to give a chit about rebounding and playing D.

Bargnani was just a bad, bad reach for B.C.

I'm still not convinced that any other GM would've taken him at #1.
As annoyingly repeated as it's been, I think Bargs was thought of to be Dirk 2.0.
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LMA would have actually been an easier pick/sell than Bargs. He was/is good friends with Bosh, was a polished player coming out of a big program in college and had good size and skill. And at least he actually seemed to give a chit about rebounding and playing D.

Bargnani was just a bad, bad reach for B.C.

I'm still not convinced that any other GM would've taken him at #1.
I absolutely agree. There have been numerous stories that Bosh wanted BC to select Aldridge, but as we know BC being the idiot he was selected the useless waste of space in AB. In that draft class the only other players picked in the top 10 that would have been good/safe picks were Aldridge, Roy (unfortunate injury), and Gay. Even though he wasn't 1st overall material, looking back at that draft, I would have been ok with Redick too.
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LMA would have actually been an easier pick/sell than Bargs. He was/is good friends with Bosh, was a polished player coming out of a big program in college and had good size and skill. And at least he actually seemed to give a chit about rebounding and playing D.

Bargnani was just a bad, bad reach for B.C.

I'm still not convinced that any other GM would've taken him at #1.
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I absolutely agree. There have been numerous stories that Bosh wanted BC to select Aldridge, but as we know BC being the idiot he was selected the useless waste of space in AB. In that draft class the only other players picked in the top 10 that would have been good/safe picks were Aldridge, Roy (unfortunate injury), and Gay. Even though he wasn't 1st overall material, looking back at that draft, I would have been ok with Redick too.
Yup. BC didn't listen to his best player. People always and still say - oh why would you want two Bosh's and duplication of skill? Idk I wouldn't mind having two guys who average around 20/10.
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The difference between 6-13 and 13-6 plus an additional 1st round pick and ALL our future picks still here was getting rid of Bargs and Gay. BC could NEVER do what it took and if he was still here, they would be here, we would not have all our picks, and he would trade away the remainder of the good pieces we have now for bad pieces, as he tried to build around the wrong pieces like he always did. He had high picks and should have drafted even better and this team should have been better. This forum could have drafted just as well.




Like I said.. it would be nice to aim higher than a total donkey!
When Colangelo first came in, the Raptors struggled, but he came in with the win now mentality. Masai on the other hand said it differently when he got here this season.

I thought Colangelo did a decent job. In the 2006 draft, the 3 players who couldve gone as the 1st overall was Bargs, Aldridge and Tyrus Thomas. Adlridge and Thomas had a lot of criticism and Bargs was also projected to be fairly decent. Gay on the other hand went 8th and Houston was widely criticized right after for picking someone who was still an immature player. No one thought that Roy and Rondo would become the players they are today. Thus Bargnani was the way to go. Bargs was pretty good his 1st year as a rookie coming off the bench. The only downside was that Bargnani was too high on Bargnani and did not want to trade him.

The moves he did were when Bosh was where, Oneal, Turkoglu all looked like really good trades but it didnt turn out well and he quickly traded them away for expiring contracts Marion and Barbaosa. His signings were questionable since he just went with whatever he could get.

In the end Ill say he took the risk to help keep Bosh happy with the various scenarios he did, but it didnt turn out well. Dont forget that when we had JO who was supposedly healthy, we were rated as one of the top east teams
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for what it's worth, in the annual GM poll post draft, Bargnani and aldridge were tied (in a landslide) as the best player in 5 years from that draft. So saying that no other GM would have picked andrea is almost certainly wrong. If I recall, Chicago was rumoured to target Bargnani as well and I'm sure other teams would have done the same. That year there was no clear #1 pick.

also, who knows if aldridge turns the same way if he's buried behind Bosh playing 10-15mpg or if he stick with Toronto after his rookie years to be in CB's shadow (his extension would have been one year before Bosh left).
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It sure looked fucking awful when his last ditch effort acquisition Rudy Gay was here.
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It sure looked fucking awful when his last ditch effort acquisition Rudy Gay was here.
Mehhh, to this day i still say that deal was a steal. Didn't work out mainly because of chemistry/system imo, but we gave up very little.
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Mehhh, to this day i still say that deal was a steal. Didn't work out mainly because of chemistry/system imo, but we gave up very little.
Agreed. We pretty much only gave up Ed Davis and looking at the bigs that we have on the team now it was definitely a good trade because it was able to net us the missing pieces to finally compete this year.
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Mehhh, to this day i still say that deal was a steal. Didn't work out mainly because of chemistry/system imo, but we gave up very little.
it made us worse. we got worse.
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