Lowe: Market for Lowry given his reputation won't be strong
Old 02-19-2014, 11:11 AM   #1 (permalink)
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He thinks Toronto could re-sign him this summer for 3yrs/21-24mil. Reasons being his personality issues and the fact that most teams with capspace already don't need a PG.


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Old 02-19-2014, 11:23 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Josh Smith has a bad rep, where did that lead him last summer? Max. Even when minus the attitude he's not a max player, still ended up getting max. Lowry's misconceived personality/attitude issue wont be a big deal at all in the market. You will always get the nut organization who'll go all out to get a good player. We all know it too, that's why we all have anxiety about this offseason. Lowe can keep trying to tell himself that it'll be easy as pie to sign him offseason, but it's just not true. It's a huge risk. Regardless of it being a huge risk doesn't mean you don't take it. If we sign him we'll say 'good move' if we don't it'll be 'WOW MASAI U IDIOT'.
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Frankly, if he is willing to sign for 7-8M per year, we should lock him up for more than 3 years.
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Josh Smith has a bad rep, where did that lead him last summer? Max. Even when minus the attitude he's not a max player, still ended up getting max. Lowry's misconceived personality/attitude issue wont be a big deal at all in the market. You will always get the nut organization who'll go all out to get a good player. We all know it too, that's why we all have anxiety about this offseason. Lowe can keep trying to tell himself that it'll be easy as pie to sign him offseason, but it's just not true. It's a huge risk. Regardless of it being a huge risk doesn't mean you don't take it. If we sign him we'll say 'good move' if we don't it'll be 'WOW MASAI U IDIOT'.
This might be the pessimist in me as a Raptor fan, but i can see a team signing him for 10mil/yr and we lose him, then the US media saying "See, even in a poor PG market they can't keep their PG, yet another player leaves Toronto".
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This might be the pessimist in me as a Raptor fan, but i can see a team signing him for 10mil/yr and we lose him, then the US media saying "See, even in a poor PG market they can't keep their PG, yet another player leaves Toronto".
Yea, I can see it too.

It's a tough situation for organizations to be in. Wish NBA had a rule set up where it'd be way more beneficial to stay put with the their current team. There is for max players, I think... Something which barley affects a player's decision. Not sure if there is a rule for very good -not max- players.

Organizations like DET shouldn't be able to throw max at players who aren't worth it, it just destroys everything. Their own team, and the team they stole em from. It makes organizations, especially small markets and us, vulnerable to continue to sucking for ever.

If Lowry leaves us as FA, we're back to being shit possibly... And what we did was give him the opportunity to flourish, gave him respect and let him have the keys to the organization, (Which no other team gave him) and he can just leave us with nothing. It's screwed up.
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Old 02-19-2014, 11:59 AM   #6 (permalink)
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This might be the pessimist in me as a Raptor fan, but i can see a team signing him for 10mil/yr and we lose him, then the US media saying "See, even in a poor PG market they can't keep their PG, yet another player leaves Toronto".
one of the times where I share your pessimism, hopefully doesn't happen tho
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If Lowry leaves us as FA, we're back to being shit possibly... And what we did was give him the opportunity to flourish, gave him respect and let him have the keys to the organization, (Which no other team gave him) and he can just leave us with nothing. It's screwed up.
Thats why they have things like RFA and Bird Rights. Is a player supposed to be locked to the team giving the team all the power? The players are the ones that bring in all the revenue, which is why they have the power.

One solution: Don't let Lowery leave as a FA, sign him for what he is worth and move on......We have the cap space, and we have the money in general. No reason why he gets up and leaves unless we offer him a 3 year 20 million or less deal (for example )
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He thinks Toronto could re-sign him this summer for 3yrs/21-24mil. Reasons being his personality issues and the fact that most teams with capspace already don't need a PG.


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I usually like what Lowe has to say, he generally knows what he's talking about. But that report is BS. Head cases with talent that play well generally get paid: Josh Smith, Cousins, JR Smith. Lowry will get at least 3, more likely 4 years in the open market. I would personally offer him no more than 4 years and aim for 8 million a year, and settle on 9 per year for 4 years. I think teams like LAL and ORL will show legit interest in him and could even pay more than 9. A team like SAC that is capped out, might even be interested in him as well.. If Sac is willing to offer 5 years, that would be the most intriguing for Lowry. We could pull a sign and trade with them as we own Lowry's bird rights.

Lowry sign and trade to SAC for Thornton (expiring) and 2014 first overall pick which will likely be around top 5, who we could use to draft Smart, Exum, Randle.
Sac could then flip Thomas in a sign and trade for a PF.
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Josh Smith has a bad rep, where did that lead him last summer? Max. Even when minus the attitude he's not a max player, still ended up getting max. Lowry's misconceived personality/attitude issue wont be a big deal at all in the market. You will always get the nut organization who'll go all out to get a good player. We all know it too, that's why we all have anxiety about this offseason. Lowe can keep trying to tell himself that it'll be easy as pie to sign him offseason, but it's just not true. It's a huge risk. Regardless of it being a huge risk doesn't mean you don't take it. If we sign him we'll say 'good move' if we don't it'll be 'WOW MASAI U IDIOT'.
Smith didn't get max.
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Old 02-19-2014, 01:28 PM   #10 (permalink)
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there is NO way he signs for that amount
jennings/teague/knight got 8 or so, lowry is worth 12M based on this year's production
whatever concerns there are, won't bring the price below 10M

but all that is moot. Question is, who can afford him and how much they value him. If Orlando thinks he's worth 12M, that's going to be his market price.

To say lowry's market is 7/per is insane, at that level there will be 30 teams interested (or whatever the number of teams that can offer full MLE).
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Two words: Contract year. While 7/per sounds too low 12/per is way too high.
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Two words: Contract year. While 7/per sounds too low 12/per is way too high.
really? You think he doesn't deserve ty lawson/jrue holiday money?
as far as contract year, he played like this 2 seasons ago until he got hurt. Even last year, he was just as good until he got hurt.

injury concerns, sure - I get that. But he is playing better than point guards who got 12M, so I suspect that's where his market value will be, with a discount for attitude/injury.
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Two words: Contract year. While 7/per sounds too low 12/per is way too high.
I love Lowry but i agree. Ten million is the most he's worth imo.
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I love Lowry but i agree. Ten million is the most he's worth imo.
this is not about worth, it's about market value ...
which, by definition almost, it's higher than the worth. It's the highest offer anybody is willing and able to throw at him.
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this is not about worth, it's about market value ...
which, by definition almost, it's higher than the worth. It's the highest offer anybody is willing and able to throw at him.
I agree his market value is probably 10-12Mil but my guess is he gets 9-10mil based on the actual market (teams looking for PG with capspace). That being said, all it takes is one team to blow their brains out on one player.
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Can Lowry still be "extended" or has that window passed?
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I love Lowry but i agree. Ten million is the most he's worth imo.
Agree, you can't go past 10 million. Worst case 4 years 40, but better to try for 4 years 36. If not, look for sign and trade with LAL for Nash and 1st or with SAC for their 2014 first.
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Agree, you can't go past 10 million. Worst case 4 years 40, but better to try for 4 years 36. If not, look for sign and trade with LAL for Nash and 1st or with SAC for their 2014 first.
It would have to be for a 2015 first-round pick since the draft occurs before FA and sign-and-trades can only be executed during the FA period. I highly doubt the Lakers or Kings would give up their first-round selections from this year.
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Can we not give him 10M$ a year for four years plus performance incentives that make it go to 12M$ a year? Does CBA allow something like that?
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It would have to be for a 2015 first-round pick since the draft occurs before FA and sign-and-trades can only be executed during the FA period. I highly doubt the Lakers or Kings would give up their first-round selections from this year.
I think the Lakers wouldn't give their pick up this year, most likely a high future though because we would basically absorb Nash, thereby giving them an addtional 10 million to spend. They could then go after Deng.

I think Sac may be more amenable to giving up their 2014 1st. Whereas Lakers could sign Lowry outright, Sac wouldn't have that luxury as their capped out. As long as Sac doesn't win the lottery and they're picking 5-7 range I could see them drafting a player for the Raptors and subsequently pulling off a sign and trade.
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