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Old 07-08-2012, 06:52 AM   #21 (permalink)
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1 - I don't think Lou Williams is "horrible". That's a bit harsh. He does a couple of valuable things really well. Although his shooting percentage is low, he makes up for it by getting to the foul line at a pretty efficient rate. That ability puts a lot of pressure on opposing Ds. Overall, you're left with a decent use of touches. He takes some bad shots but he's not horrible.

2 - I don't really like comparing him to Jason Terry. Personally, I don't think that's fair to Terry, who is a phenomenal shooter and a better defender. It's also not fair to Lou Williams, who can bust opposing defenders ankles better than Terry can. Lou is more likely to blow by you, Terry is more likely to stick it in your eye.

3 - He's kind of like a shorter Jamal Crawford. If I was forced to compare him to somebody. Just my opinion.

4 - I'd like to see what Williams could do on a good team.


Edit - I see the Terry comparison if it was just meant in general terms of filling an important bench scoring role. On second thought, I might have been interpreting things too literally.

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Old 07-08-2012, 09:54 AM   #22 (permalink)
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1 - I don't think Lou Williams is "horrible". That's a bit harsh. He does a couple of valuable things really well. Although his shooting percentage is low, he makes up for it by getting to the foul line at a pretty efficient rate. That ability puts a lot of pressure on opposing Ds. Overall, you're left with a decent use of touches. He takes some bad shots but he's not horrible.

2 - I don't really like comparing him to Jason Terry. Personally, I don't think that's fair to Terry, who is a phenomenal shooter and a better defender. It's also not fair to Lou Williams, who can bust opposing defenders ankles better than Terry can. Lou is more likely to blow by you, Terry is more likely to stick it in your eye.

3 - He's kind of like a shorter Jamal Crawford. If I was forced to compare him to somebody. Just my opinion.

4 - I'd like to see what Williams could do on a good team.


Edit - I see the Terry comparison if it was just meant in general terms of filling an important bench scoring role. On second thought, I might have been interpreting things too literally.
The Terry comparison is meant in general terms - shot-making short two guards. And it was more of a comparison of the type of player Lou Williams could evolve in to.

And the whole point was that he's not horrible and I thank Mr. Haverchuck for demonstrating what a balanced assessment of a player is...it can lead to much better discussion then "he's horrible, does nothing right, bla bla bla". Dude played a huge role on a second round playoff team - get realistic.
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I'd take him over Barbosa.
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I'd take him over Barbosa.
As much as I love Barbosa, I could definitely agree here.... though it would probably come down to the cheaper option if there is a significant difference.
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it would probably come down to the cheaper option if there is a significant difference.
LB would be the cheaper option
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LB would be the cheaper option
yeah, but how much cheaper is the real question.
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Old 07-08-2012, 08:52 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I want to make one other point because this discussion here is actually relevant to our most recent acquisition.

Earlier to day I observed a discussion on Facebook with two friends who were arguing with each other over where to rank Kyle Lowry in the NBA PG pecking order. One of my friends was emphasizing the fact that "he only shot 40% last year" in order to place him behind guys like Ty Lawson. Yeah, Lowry shot the same FG% as Lou Williams and Ray Felton. And the buddy that prefers Lawson was comparing Lowry's shooting to Ray Felton.

The thing is, Lowry shot a high volume of 3 pointers, and did so at a good rate (37%+). He also got to the foul line at a decent rate. So, overall, he is a much different type of "40% shooter" than Ray Felton was last year. One creates more points and offense out of his touches than the other.

The point is, not all "40%" shooters are created equal. You can have two players shooting the exact same FG% but one is giving you 3 or 4 extra points per game off a similar number of touches.

I like stats, and I use them sometimes because they can confirm what your eyes see, like Lowry doesn't suck at shooting because I've seen him can lots big of 3s. But usually you have to look at them in relation to other stats. In isolation, some of them can be terribly misleading, like Lowry's overall FG%.
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Old 07-08-2012, 10:04 PM   #29 (permalink)
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The point is, not all "40%" shooters are created equal. You can have two players shooting the exact same FG% but one is giving you 3 or 4 extra points per game off a similar number of touches.
That's why most people would use TrueShooting% or eFG%. Different ways of trying to incorporate just that. Felton had a rather poor 491 TS%, Lowry had 56% and Lou 52%. TS% takes 3's and FT's into consideration.
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