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Old 07-13-2011, 12:58 PM   #41 (permalink)
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What tournament? Is there a North American one this summer?
isn't there olympic qualifying because olympics is next summer?
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maybe that means Nash can play... if Canada is indeed playing this summer
Tournament starts in 6 weeks. I believe camp should start about now, but I heard nothing about Nash.
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I think Nash said he was retiring from the national team a year ago. Don't think he's ever going to put on a Team Canada uniform again (unless as a coach down the road).
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The most difficult aspect of evaluating Toronto Raptors’ draft pick Jonas Valanciunas before the draft was his level of competition. Unlike his American counterparts, he turned pro at 16, competing against grown men instead of amateurs.

He was a 19-year-old role player on his club team (Lietuvos Rytas) last season, playing 14 minutes per game and rarely having much offense run for him. The vast majority of his points came off rebounds, hustle plays and cuts to the basket.

But in the FIBA U-19 World Championships earlier this month, Valanciunas was given the opportunity to be a primary offensive option and compete against his age group. His dominant performance, leading Lithuania to the championship and earning the tournament MVP, showed why he might become the steal of the 2011 draft.

At 6’11, 240 with a 7’6 wingspan, Valanciunas takes up a lot of space on the court; his length, foot-speed and energy level make him an extremely effective interior defender. In contrast to the stereotype surrounding many European big men, he defends the rim with tenacity and isn’t afraid to bang down-low.
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Old 07-13-2011, 05:30 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Hearing lots of good stuff about the kid. Lets see how he does with the senior team. Can he be a taller Al Horford?
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I really hope Jonas is that good. IMO he was really underused in Rytas. I may be only one, but I think he was by far, best Rytas' bigman.

Most of the times, I am right about those things. My last hit was Martynas Pocius. Pocius was the guy from Duke, who signed with Lithuanian team and became role player there. I was so sure he was way better than he was used. A lot of people thought he is not ready for the NT, and said I was crazy, but I said he is way better than some other overrated guys, and I was right.

I love Jonas' progress. Usually when you are young dominant player, your numbers getting lower every year, it's getting tougher and tougher, but it seems, in Jonas' case, everything opposite. Hes running away, distance between him and other guys getting longer. And hes dominate not because hes just big (Koufos, Karnowski, Kanter, Traylor...), half of the times he had bigger/taller guy on him, is pure talent and hustle.
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His ceiling is somewhere around Pau Gasol, but it’s entirely possible that he maxes out as a skilled version of Andris Biedrins. But, when you consider how weak the 2011 draft class was, a player whose worst-case scenario is an effective two-way center shouldn’t have lasted to the #5 pick.
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At 6’11, 240 with a 7’6 wingspan, Valanciunas takes up a lot of space on the court; his length, foot-speed and energy level make him an extremely effective interior defender. In contrast to the stereotype surrounding many European big men, he defends the rim with tenacity and isn’t afraid to bang down-low.

Last year, he was one of the best rebounders and shot-blockers in the Euroleague on a per-minute basis, averaging 14.5 rebounds and 1.7 blocks. At the U19 Championships he was simply dominant, averaging 13.9 rebounds and 3.2 blocks per game.
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Toronto, after starting a front-court of Andrea Bargnani and Reggie Evans for portions of last season, knows first-hand how damaging one-dimensional big men can be. If Valanciunas doesn’t improve at all as a player, he would still be worth the #5 pick. If he does, he might have been worth taking #1 overall.

Very impressive stuff. BTW, he's actually 240lbs? I thought when we drafted him he was 230lbs?
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Hes about 240. Info says he is 245 now, but I dont know. Maybe his huge wingspan add few more pounds and at the same time, made look hes a lil thinner.
Draft night info is all wrong, 2 years old most of the times.
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Off topic but I saw this "future Raptors jersey design" on another Raptors site and thought it was hilarious:

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Off topic but I saw this "future Raptors jersey design" on another Raptors site and thought it was hilarious:

Why is that hilarious?
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Why is that hilarious?
Nobody would ever wear 46... it's not a traditional basketball number.
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Nobody would ever wear 46... it's not a traditional basketball number.
Lol

Seriously though, our players have worn Italian colours and Spain clours in our Jersey's. Those jersey colours wouldn't surprise me.
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Off Ball Offense

Valanciunas’ biggest strength offensively is when he is working off of the basketball cutting and in pick and roll sets, and his international team, Lietuvos Rytas was smart enough to build Valanciunas’ offense around that, as 43.3% of his offense was either cuts or pick and rolls (if you want to add offensive rebounds, off ball offense makes up 65.1% of Valanciunas’ offense).

As the roll man in pick and roll sets (23.2% of all offensive possessions) Valanciunas posted a PPP of 1.434, which puts him in the top 4% of all international players as he shot 74.7%. Valanciunas rolled to the rim 97% of the time in pick and roll sets (slipping the screen the remaining 3%), showing his ability to find lanes when rolling to the rim, making the catch, and getting the ball on the rim.

Valanciunas doesn’t set the best screens and that probably needs to be improved upon (though we have seen guys like David Lee, David West, and Amar’e Stoudemire have success without setting the best screens), but when he is rolling to the rim he does just about everything right. He makes himself available and once he makes the catch, he is going right up with it and has the ability to finish over the help defender (something we also saw during the u19 tournament).


Speaking of Valanciunas’ ability to find lanes and make himself available, that is what makes him so successful “cutting” off of the basketball. According to Synergy Sports, Valanciunas posts a PPP of 1.488 (top 10%) while shooting 69.8% on cut plays.

One of the reasons why Valanciunas is so good on cuts is because he understands spacing. On this particular clip, you see Valanciunas’ teammate driving right at him. Instead of holding his ground, Valanciunas slips back to the opposite block, as as his defender helps on penetration, he now has given his teammate a passing lane and put himself in a position to catch and score at the same time.

It’s these types fundamentals and Valanciunas’ understanding of them that helps him score off of offensive rebounds and have success on put backs as well. Valanciunas was in the top 25% of all international players in terms of PPP on offensive rebounds, posting a PPP of 1.301 on 64.7% shooting.





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Post Offense

As good as Valanciunas is off of the basketball, that is almost as bad he is with the ball in his hands. On the block, Valancinuas posted just a PPP of 0.826, scoring 57 points on his 69 post up possessions. One of the biggest reasons why Valanciunas struggles so much is turnovers, as he turns the ball over 29% when posting up

Something that Valanciunas needs to work on next year is his body. He needs to fill out a little bit more and that would help him both when fighting for position and when trying to back down his defender. One of the things that I noticed is that Valanciunas can’t really back his man down after making the catch, and this causes Valanciunas to swing an arm out and get offensive fouls called on him. In addition, Valanciunas really struggles when passing out of double teams. He is there using all of his energy to back his defender down and a when they send a double at him, it catches him off guard.

Post Defense

Valanciunas’ lack of size also hurts him on the ball defensively. On the 81 post up possessions that Valanciunas faced last year, he gave up 84 points, which puts him in the bottom 20% among all international players.

Again, in my opinion, it’s all about strength and position. At this point in his career, Valanciunas doesn’t have the strength to push his man off of his spots, and if they do catch it off of the block, they can simply back him down into the paint. No matter how good of a defender or how long you are, if you allow your man to get into your body and all the way into the paint, they are going to have an easy time and not be bothered by size. Again, there isn’t really anything strategically that you can do or change, it’s simply all about getting stronger.

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Nice scouting report. A bit concerned of post defense notes. He needs to build up his body during the next year and work on it. NBA centers love abusing rookies in the post. It's only going to get worse in the NBA with players like Dwight Howard.
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Hated his defense. He is quick, but he was unable to defend any mismatch, I dont really know why... And pick n roll defense was bad, a lot of mistakes...
And his post D... He was bullied, added 10 pounds during the year so I hope he be better next season. Remember Milovan Rakovic like it was today. That guy destroyed Jonas in Euroleague, very strong and physical, and he signed with Zalgiris, Weems', Jonas' rival team. So we will see a lot of Rakovic vs. Jonas next season.

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For sure needs to get stronger. Guys in the league are just going to push him around. This is actually a very big problem. Seeing that JV is a good competitor, he's probably gonna pick up a lot of fouls trying to guard them. Too much fouls = not enough playing time.

Martynas, can you tell him on Facebook to put on like 30 pounds.
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For sure needs to get stronger. Guys in the league are just going to push him around. This is actually a very big problem. Seeing that JV is a good competitor, he's probably gonna pick up a lot of fouls trying to guard them. Too much fouls = not enough playing time.

Martynas, can you tell him on Facebook to put on like 30 pounds.
I wouldn't get too worried yet, JV just barely turned 19 and his body is still maturing. Lots of time to gain weight and strength, in fact, not only do I think he'll grow still, I believe he'll easily gain 25-30lbs over the next couple years.
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Just look at him in that video and look at him now. He looks bigger already, and it was like 6 months. I remember earlier in the season, his weight was 104kg. He was weighed (is that a word?) before draft, and it says his weight was 245lbs, (111kg.). So he added like 1 kilo in every month.
Question is, how much more weight he can add without loosing his mobility. Hes just a kid, he will get stronger anyways.
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I really hope Jonas is that good. IMO he was really underused in Rytas. I may be only one, but I think he was by far, best Rytas' bigman.
You're not alone. At least he was the only one who had been introduced to miss defense.
It was a shame that Rytas couldn't keep Jasikevicius for the whole season, i'm sure playiong along him would have made life much easier for Jonas.
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