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Old 06-27-2009, 11:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Lineup as of today?

I think, this is what we have with regards to guaranteed contracts and team option contracts (except for Marion)...

PG: Calderon/Ukic/Banks
SG: Delfino/DeMar
SF: Marion(?)
PF: Bosh/Evans/Humphries
C: Bargnani/O'Bryant/Jawai

Did I miss anybody? Looks like we are still short in SF, especially if we can not resign Marion.

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Old 06-27-2009, 11:05 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Delfino and Marion aren't 100%
I think Douby is signed for next year
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Old 06-27-2009, 11:07 AM   #3 (permalink)
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We don't have Delfino yet and Douby is signed until to the end of 09/10.
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PG: Calderon/Ukic/Banks
SG: Douby
SF: DeMar
PF: Bosh/Evans/Humphries
C: Bargnani/O'Bryant/Jawai

As of now that's what it is.
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What a sad sack team.


Probably will be adding both AP and Delfino to the mix.

Not sure on Marion though.

And then the MLE will bring something else(Daniels) as well as LLE(Rasho)
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Old 06-27-2009, 11:44 AM   #6 (permalink)
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If BC wants delfino, count on him
He loves JT and he wants back
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Old 06-27-2009, 12:11 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Probably will be adding both AP and Delfino to the mix.

Not sure on Marion though.

And then the MLE will bring something else(Daniels) as well as LLE(Rasho)
The team will alot better then that. BC will be active.

AP is probably as good as gone (hopefully a S&T).
Delfino and Marion will be back. Book it! Then BC has MLE/FA/LLE/trade at his disposal to add 2-3 more quality players to round out the 1-2-3 spots. For some reason you have no confidence in BC. And if we don't get the right players in here this summer then i'll question him.

Question, what's changed for you the last couple days, i don't get it. We were rumoured to get Derozan and we did. Did you think BC was gonna do alot more then that? If so where did you get that idea?

The fact is, Evans trade was a great move, Derozan was a good pick and now we wait for the next 1-2 weeks to see what BC does. And i think most will be happy with what we do imo.
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Old 06-27-2009, 12:19 PM   #8 (permalink)
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The team will alot better then that. BC will be active.

AP is probably as good as gone (hopefully a S&T).
Delfino and Marion will be back. Book it! Then BC has MLE/FA/LLE/trade at his disposal to add 2-3 more quality players to round out the 1-2-3 spots. For some reason you have no confidence in BC. And if we don't get the right players in here this summer then i'll question him.

Question, what's changed for you the last couple days, i don't get it. We were rumoured to get Derozan and we did. Did you think BC was gonna do alot more then that? If so where did you get that idea?

The fact is, Evans trade was a great move, Derozan was a good pick and now we wait for the next 1-2 weeks to see what BC does. And i think most will be happy with what we do imo.
The whole salary cap thing has always been a bit over my head, but on the radio BC said he has $21 million to spend and that's with Demar's contract taken into account. Even with the resigning of Marion or a signing of Turkoglu or whomever, that's a tremendous amount of flexibility.
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Old 06-27-2009, 12:29 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The whole salary cap thing has always been a bit over my head, but on the radio BC said he has $21 million to spend and that's with Demar's contract taken into account. Even with the resigning of Marion or a signing of Turkoglu or whomever, that's a tremendous amount of flexibility.

Yeah but that's if they renounce everyone (ie: Graham/AP/Marion)

My guess is 21Mil minus 8-9Mil for Marion and what ever it takes to sign Delfino (3Mil?).

They'll then have around 10Mil to spend + MLE and Vet Minimum (1.5Mil) plus trade posiiblilities for 3-4 players (I'm guessing 1PG, 2more wings and Rasho?)
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Old 06-27-2009, 01:14 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Sign Parker and he will be our backup point + Sg off the bench. Delfino can be our backup SF, and Derozan our starting 2 guard. It works out now.
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Sign Parker and he will be our backup point + Sg off the bench. Delfino can be our backup SF, and Derozan our starting 2 guard. It works out now.
Fuck that! Yeah let's play everyone out of position....that'll work??
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Old 06-27-2009, 01:39 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Fuck that! Yeah let's play everyone out of position....that'll work??
he didnt mention starting PG, i would like to nominate evans
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PG: Calderon/Ukic/Banks
SG: Demar, ?
SF: ?, ?
PF: Bosh/Evans/Humphries
C: Bargnani/O'Bryant/Jawai

Disgusting so far. We need to dump Jawai Humphries and Banks. BCs got a huge job ahead of him this offseason. He better be looking to make a splash right when July 1 arrives because this team needs 5+ new players.
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Old 06-27-2009, 01:49 PM   #14 (permalink)
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^^
we don't need to dump jawai yet, he's still a NBDL type player, so he's kind of like a minor league player and really shouldn't be counted into the roster
i do hope we can get rid of jump, banks and POB
and whatever happened to the possibility of getting Pops Mensa-Bonsu back
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Fuck that! Yeah let's play everyone out of position....that'll work??
Actually, Parker did pretty well at the point for a few games last season, I wouldn't mind if he retained that role for a game or two here and there. Delfino's ballhandling is pretty overrated and he has the strength to guard most small fowards; he seems like he has the skills that can make him a swingman. So yeah... It's not like we're making Kris Humphries our shooting guard or anything, pretty much all of those players can interchange into the positions that he mentioned in the above post.
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PG: Calderon/Ukic/Banks
SG: Demar, ?
SF: ?, ?
PF: Bosh/Evans/Humphries
C: Bargnani/O'Bryant/Jawai

Disgusting so far. We need to dump Jawai Humphries and Banks. BCs got a huge job ahead of him this offseason. He better be looking to make a splash right when July 1 arrives because this team needs 5+ new players.
-Jawai will probably be replaced by Rasho.
-Hump....who knows? I think there is a good chance BC packages him in a trade.
-Banks....He would be a throw in if Marion is S&T possibly but trading him would be hard unless we take a bigger contract in return.

I think the lineup will be something like this:

Jose/? (FA or Trade)/Ukic
Delfino/Derozan/Dahntay Jones?
Marion/Matt Barnes?/Derozan
Bosh/Evans/Hump
Bargnani/Rasho/POB
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Jose/? (FA or Trade)/Ukic
Delfino/Derozan/Dahntay Jones?
Marion/Matt Barnes?/Derozan
Bosh/Evans/Hump
Bargnani/Rasho/POB

If thats BCs vision then say goodbye to Bosh and hello to rebuilding the next 3 years. That lineup is way too simplistic and how everyone expects itll be. BC needs to make a splash, a real splash in the form of a trade to get this team moving forward. That team is a treadmill team.
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If thats BCs vision then say goodbye to Bosh and hello to rebuilding the next 3 years. That lineup is way too simplistic and how everyone expects itll be. BC needs to make a splash, a real splash in the form of a trade to get this team moving forward. That team is a treadmill team.
then start running

we don't have attractive contracts for teams that want a salary dump
limited amount of money for FA's
BC doesn't want to trade Bargs
trading Bosh will not net equal talent to contend this year
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The whole salary cap thing has always been a bit over my head, but on the radio BC said he has $21 million to spend and that's with Demar's contract taken into account. Even with the resigning of Marion or a signing of Turkoglu or whomever, that's a tremendous amount of flexibility.
If we renounce everyone we have around 10 mil to spend. So don't expect that because Marion, Delfino, rights to Parker, Pops, Graham, + 6 mil MLE, is easily worth more than 10 mil in capspace.

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If thats BCs vision then say goodbye to Bosh and hello to rebuilding the next 3 years. That lineup is way too simplistic and how everyone expects itll be. BC needs to make a splash, a real splash in the form of a trade to get this team moving forward. That team is a treadmill team.
The only to make a major splash I think, would be to trade Bargnani. Get a premiere win now wing scorer for him, and then sign a Gortat/Rasho combo to play C. Combined with the fact that Bosh and Bargnani can't play together, if Colangelo really did want to commit to Bosh, it's clear the only move would be to trade Bargs

Jose could be traded but that'd leave us empty at PG and there's not much of a market for him right now just scanning over all the teams, nobody really needs him. Marion could be dealt but he won't get us much. Either would likely be lateral moves

We could spend 10 mil on Turkoglu or Gordon but that would destroy our depth and give us a worse bench than last year, so I'd say no to that too

For all these reasons I think the plan of trying to make Bosh happy with a winning team next year is a suicide mission. We might get a 6th-7th seed but that's probably not enough. Might as well trade him now
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