Carlito Caliente

Hi guys,

I'm new to the forum....well, not really. I have been coming here everyday for the past 3 years I would say, guess you can say I'm addicted to this place

I'm one of those read but never post kinda guy, but heck I think it's time to join the family

So I was thinking we could really shuffle our lineups to balance out our D and O

The starting lineup should be:
Jack
Belinelli
Turk
Bosh
Johnson

Second unit should be:
Jose
DD
Wright
Reggie (Pops or Rasho for now)
Bargs


Of course this is after Reggie gets back....yeah I know I know this idea is a little premature but I really can't wait for Evans to get back!
I think Bosh doesn't mesh well with Bargs because they are both shooting bigs. We really need someone to snatch those boards for us and create second chance points, that's where Johnson can compliment Bosh and Reggie can clean up the boards while Bargs chucks those 3s from downtown.

Beli and Turk will keep the defense honest so Bosh can work his magic "underneath". I find that Jose is not shooting the ball well this year and DD, well he's not a shooter...

The second unit should benefit Bargs more because we can have DD, Wright and Reggie crash the boards. I also believe Jose can do much more in the second unit instead of just feeding the rock to Bosh every possession down the court in the starting lineup.

I think you will see a more effective Raptors team this way IMO

What you guys think?


Thanks for your feedbacks

babyface

I think these combinations work best throughout the game:

JJ/Beli/Hedo/Bargs/Amir

Jose/DD/Wright/Bosh/Rasho

archie63

much more balanced than actual starting 5, we have seen it in previus games

tommysdu

that line up would be amazing!!! i think u bring up a very important point, Bosh and Bargs can not work together, when they are both on the court there is no rebounding. consistently putting a group out there that can crash the boards will make this team so much better. Also i think Calderon in the second unit will be more benefitial for the team, that way the team can start out with decent defence at the guard. I really can't see why triano isn't doing this line up, i mean its effing perfect!!!!!

Dark Knight

First if all, welocme to RF.

Second of all, love the avi.

Third of all, I can't see Amir starting over Bargs. Just can't happen. If this ever happens it will mean Bargs is on his way out. But if Johnson ever starts, i'd say he moves to the 4 and Bosh to the 5. I also think Belli should stay on the bench. His instant scoring is just what we need from our bench.

Afghanraptor

Barg cant be benched...i like the jj and marco add...but johnson is not got enough as barg is...barg got amazing offense and okay defense...he gets his usual block shot...

tommysdu

the problem is Bargs and Bosh can't work together, at least they cant start together. We always start off games trading baskets because our key is filled with two weak big men. I strongly feel that when Bargs is on the court, we need to have 4 players that likes to crash the boards and play defence (our second unit can actually play some defence) After a while when the game starts to flow, we can have Bargs and Bosh play together because when Bargs gets warmed up a bit he actually plays some d.

jeffb

Jack will never start and Bargs will never come off the bench. This starting lineup is here to stay with the possible acception of the SG position. Baring a trade Jose,Hedo,Bosh,Bargs are etched in stone considering they make a combined 40Mil. Get used to it.

tommysdu

i don't get why we can't change the line up. Clearly this team is not playing well, i don't think we can make any significant trades at this moment. If triano doesnt want to be on the hot seat, i think he was to start doing something drastic and changing the starting lineup.

Bmats7

I think in the back of our minds.. we all know this is true.

That's why we lay it all out on this forum lol. We all know we're not getting Devin Harris and Brooke Lopez for Calderon and Bargnani... but it will be suggested another 100 times before Christmas (maybe even once by me) just because that's how it is. We never lose hope

mangra

we need a trade, think of Washington

a big trade could happen

Lao Wai

I thought this team would win at least one game versus CHA, BOS and PHX now I don't still the PHX game.

The team needs a shake-up.

I suggested the other day a trade with Orlando which would benefit both.

Gortat, Williams & Carter
Bosh & Calderon

We get Gortat at C then Bargs can play PF his natural position. Orlando gets scoring with Bosh.

Williams is a veteran with a few good years Calderon better for Orlando with there star point guard out.

Carter gives back much of the scoring lost with Bosh and a huge upgrade it SG. Yes I know you hate Vince.

Cam

jeffb

I would say that Washington is gonna start making changes if they don't start turning things around because that lineup just doesn't work. Alot of talent but they just don't mesh for whatever reason.

I just flipped it to RapsTV and the Wizards are losing to Charlotte by 20.

Afghanraptor

why the hell would we trade barg for brooke lopez....thats crazy talk...we can trade jose for devin harris or for monta ellis...barg is a great center...our rebounds are good enough and barg is hitting a good field goal percentage....

Carlito Caliente

babyface:
I like your lineup too, but what I was thinking with my starting is that Beli and Hedo can really free up Bosh to do some damage WITHIN the 3 point line. If you put Bargs with Hedo and Beli they would all be camping outside instead of the deadly combination of inside/outside punch that Bosh/Hedo/Beli creates. On top of that, Jose has shown that he's very effective in the second unit before. By breaking up the shooters having Beli/Turk in starting and Jose/Bargs in the second unit, it would balance out the long range threat instead of having 3 shooters on the floor with a rookie. Who's going to rebound the ball? Bosh??

Having said that, I feel it would help tremendously if our starting guard is an athletic slasher with a pass first mentality....whoever that is lol

Tommysdu:
Thanks for the support! Whether the lineups work or not it was just an idea.

DK/Afghanraptor/jeffb
DK thanks for the welcome! I see all of u guys' point, of how Amir is not good enough, Bargs can never be benched, Jack is not starting material....ego is always going to get in the way, and we are not paying these guys +10 mil/yr to come off the bench. However, sacrifices have to be made if we want to win. Imagine if Iverson can accept his role to come off the bench....not long ago Phil Jackson wanted to use odom off the bench, Eddie Jordan was about to replace Elton Brand with Marreese Speights in the starting right before Speights' injury, Jason Terry/Manu Ginobili/AK47 playing the sixth man roles for their respective teams, and Andre Miller leading the bench despite the fact that he's not sitting well with it. All of these sacrifices are made for a reason....to WIN.

Now we can all see that the current lineups are not working, so maybe it would be good to experiment a little? Amir is playing very well with Bosh getting all those extra tip ins, and I can see Bargs tearing up the other teams' second unit. I understand my suggestion is not possible, but what if we start out with the current starters, but later on the game say second quarter they can implement my lineups....that way everyone's happy and we'll win more games hopefully?

mangra

i agree with u, theses people don't see that team who take risk come off on top.

Ex: laker won the championship why make

change?????????

DVS

Personally I don't see JT as the type of coach that will rock the boat. I really doubt you'll see a major lineup change from him in a while. As I said many times before A lineup change wouldn't really make this team win a TON more games in a season. A very small percentage lays on Gelling, Coaching and longevity of play with eatch other.

The fact of the matter the Raps are missing the most important ingredient: TALENT

spuriousjones

if we were to trade with washington i'd like to get mcgee and young (and of course a million pick, oh, and foye too while i'm getting out of hand — actually foye would be an interesting pointguard for us with hedo able to play pointforward). does Bosh for jaimison, mcgee, and young sound ok? (or jaimison, mcgee and foye) or whatever....

it'd hurt to have Bosh come back and eat us so many times a year. out west might be better.

its awful to give up the best player (and one with such a high level of talent) but it sure feels like the guy is going to bolt

Carlito Caliente

Talent wise I think we are ok, what we need is grit, toughness and resiliency! Too bad those things can't be taught, we talk about it all the time but never execute it.

We need more Reggies and Amirs, players who understand their roles and play within their ability. Players who get after it and are not afraid to mix it up inside. Players who man the post and floor any incoming opponents. Players who stick up for their teammates when one of ours gets kneed in the balls. Man I miss the good OAK days....

Bosh is destined to bolt, S&T so he could get the max too

Carlito Caliente

If we are giving away an all star, I demand we get back Young, Foye, McGee and one of Jamison or Butler