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Old 05-27-2014, 01:45 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Love just wants the spotlight, the freaking Lakers were his first option. I don't want anything to do with this diva
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Old 05-27-2014, 01:47 PM   #22 (permalink)
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So Rubio on the pnr. Brewer on the wing. And pek on the inside
Well, Rubio can't shoot and is not that effective in PnR, Brewer can't shoot, and Pek is most effective posting up. But there are certainly similarities.
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Love and JV would be incredible offensively, but the concerns defensively are there obviously.

With good coaching, good and smart perimeter defenders, and a good defensive system, their deficiencies wouldn't be as bad as some have alluded to here.

Plus, you have to factor in that JV was only in his 2nd year this year, and with his skillset and footwork, who's to say he doesn't become a very good defensive player in 2-3 years time? I have no doubts this is going to eventually happen, because he isn't a plodding center like Hibbert, I think with more experience he's going to be at least above average defensively, which would make the Love/JV pairing even more magical.

If we completed the trade DanH referred to, and then signed a big SF like PJ Tucker, we would have an amazing team.

I'd definitely do that deal. That team would be so fun to watch, and Leiweke is always looking to make a splash and get a star player, so who's to say we aren't a team that goes after Love?
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Love and JV would be incredible offensively, but the concerns defensively are there obviously.

With good coaching, good and smart perimeter defenders, and a good defensive system, their deficiencies wouldn't be as bad as some have alluded to here.

Plus, you have to factor in that JV was only in his 2nd year this year, and with his skillset and footwork, who's to say he doesn't become a very good defensive player in 2-3 years time? I have no doubts this is going to eventually happen, because he isn't a plodding center like Hibbert, I think with more experience he's going to be at least above average defensively, which would make the Love/JV pairing even more magical.

If we completed the trade DanH referred to, and then signed a big SF like PJ Tucker, we would have an amazing team.

I'd definitely do that deal. That team would be so fun to watch, and Leiweke is always looking to make a splash and get a star player, so who's to say we aren't a team that goes after Love?

The only way I would do that deal is if we could land a semi- star SF. Tucker wouldn't cut it imo.
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The only way I would do that deal is if we could land a semi- star SF. Tucker wouldn't cut it imo.
Semi star SF? You already have Lowry/Ross/Love/JV. You don't need a star, you need a defensive minded player who can hit 3 point shots. There's enough shots to go around with the other 4, especially if Ross/JV develop into the player that we think they're going to be.
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Semi star SF? You already have Lowry/Ross/Love/JV. You don't need a star, you need a defensive minded player who can hit 3 point shots. There's enough shots to go around with the other 4, especially if Ross/JV develop into the player that we think they're going to be.
I wouldnt even say he needs to be that good of a shooter. If he can facilitate, and make strong cuts would be good enough.

Lowry and Ross and Love can all shoot.
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Semi star SF? You already have Lowry/Ross/Love/JV. You don't need a star, you need a defensive minded player who can hit 3 point shots. There's enough shots to go around with the other 4, especially if Ross/JV develop into the player that we think they're going to be.
IMO with that squad you get enough three point shooting from Ross, Lowry, and Love. I'd say a slasher at the SF who can play good D would be best with that group.

Thing is, I don't think that in this league a team of Lowry,Ross, average starter SF, Love, and JV is a contender so I'd agree with Jeff that to contend they'd need an all star level SF to contend.

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Semi star SF? You already have Lowry/Ross/Love/JV. You don't need a star, you need a defensive minded player who can hit 3 point shots. There's enough shots to go around with the other 4, especially if Ross/JV develop into the player that we think they're going to be.
what has pj tucker gotten better at? I havent seen him play since he was here
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Old 05-27-2014, 02:31 PM   #29 (permalink)
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The Kings are willing to give up their eighth overall pick in this year's*NBA*draft and a combination of players for Love, even though he would not be expected to sign a contract extension before next season if ever, with the rebuilding, small-market franchise, the source said. Sacramento envisions Love andDeMarcus Cousins*playing alongside each other in the front court.*

Swingman*Rudy Gay has a player's option for next season.The Kings know they'd have to gamble on convincing Love to re-sign, given that the franchise is rebuilding and Love is looking to play for a contender after never reaching the playoffs with theTimberwolves. Love's suitors also figure to include a number of bigger markets, including the*Boston Celtics,*Los Angeles Lakers,*New York Knicks,Golden State Warriors,Houston Rockets*and*Chicago Bulls.
Report: Kings Prepared to Trade Multiple Assets for One Year of Kevin Love | Bleacher Report
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it would have to be this years pick, ben mclemore, and more young assets.
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Old 05-27-2014, 02:42 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Thanks to everyone who contributed to pointing out that Love is not that bad on D and illustrating just how bad the rest of the Wolves team is on D. I'd like to add that Adelman's teams usually do not defend well and that was also a big factor on perception of Love's D.

Kevin Love on the Raptors would be an NBA Landscape changing deal and would make us a contender in the East. I don't think anyone can put together a better offer then the Raptors, I just hope Masai is working on this and Love is not asking to be traded to a specific team.

DD and Amir + Knicks' 2016 1st would be OK with me. We could then do a sign and trade with Cleveland for Deng in exchange for a picks(a 1st rounder and perhaps a 2nd rounder) + expiring fillers. Re-sign our FAs. Release Salmons. Sign Vince and Chris Kaman via exceptions. That would result in:
Lowry/GV/Nando
Ross/GV/Nando
Deng/Vince/Novak
Love/PP/Novak
JV/Kaman

Other offers could be:

All-in:
2014 1st rounder, 2x 2016 1st rounders + DD + Hayes ( we give up a lot and it makes it much more difficult to fill the hole at SF) - but no other team can match the offer of an all-star and three picks. I don't think anyone here would like that trade, I've mentioned it before, perhaps it is too much but I'd still do it.

Instant Cap relief:
Expiring deals(Amir + Hayes + Fields + TH + Salmons =~ 29M$ off the books next year) + 3x 1st rounders for Love + Kevin Martin + Chase Budinger + Corey Brewer =~ 30M$ (Wolves save ~25$ after 2015/2016 and ~15M$ cap-space NOT counting Love's deal.)

Results in:
Lowry/GV
DD/Martin/Brewer
Ross/Brewer/Chase
Love/PP/Novak
JV/FA

Pipe Dream:
Hayes + Fields + TH + 3 x 1st rounders for Love

Lowry/GV/Nando
DD/Ross/GV
Ross/Vince/DD
Love/PP/Amir
JV/Amir

Obviously, I've been thinking of Love on the Raptors for some time now probably too much as everything seems to make sense.
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Old 05-27-2014, 03:03 PM   #32 (permalink)
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First, Kevin Love is a great player. Top 30 for sure.

Secondly, the idea that his defense is 'sub-par' is overblown, about equally as much as his offense capabilities are overblown.

Amir dominates Love atleast once a year, but it's not necessarily evident in the boxscore since it's always been crucial that Love gets his. Although Love is clearly the better and more durable player.

Changing the landscape and identity of the team, which trading Demar and Amir would do, is doing just that, changing the identity of the team.

It could fall or flourish, but imo it's abandoning the organic growth we experienced this year.

But regardless of what any of our opinions are, I don't think Love wants to be the number one guy relied upon to score the basketball. I think he's done with that role. He wants LA, or somewhere else because he wants to play beside a guy like Kobe or Melo. He'll be incredible in a role similar to Bosh's.
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Pipe Dream:
Hayes + Fields + TH + 3 x 1st rounders for Love

Lowry/GV/Nando
DD/Ross/GV
Ross/Vince/DD
Love/PP/Amir
JV/Amir
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This is a great deal. Minnesota should do it, Psycho T is going to break-out sooner or later and Fields is a few massages away from shooting 40% from 3.
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Old 05-27-2014, 03:26 PM   #34 (permalink)
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He's been freezing his nuts off in Minnesota. I think he just wants to move where it's warmer. Try and thaw out a bit. Toronto is probably not on the top of his list for defrost mode.
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it would have to be this years pick, ben mclemore, and more young assets.
Yeah, but what other young assets do they have? They still need to make it work cap wise. Best they can do is send young assets + expirings.

So the best I can come up with from SAC's point of view is this:

#8, McLemore, Acy, McCallum, Terry, Evans for Love.

That's the #8, McLemore, and a couple 2nd rounders. They have nothing else to offer - can't even trade first round draft picks until 2017 at the earliest (could get bumped further back to 2018). They could throw in some 2nd round picks, but that's not going to tip the scale. They don't even have the ability to take back bad contracts as well since they are so close to the tax already.
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First, Kevin Love is a great player. Top 30 for sure.
Love is top 3 offensive win shares, top 30 defensive win shares, top 3 win shares. He is a top 10 player in the league easily.

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Amir dominates Love atleast once a year, but it's not necessarily evident in the boxscore since it's always been crucial that Love gets his.
1/17/14
Love 16/12/3
Amir 19/2/1

3/9/14
Love 26/11/9
Amir 15/2/3

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But regardless of what any of our opinions are, I don't think Love wants to be the number one guy relied upon to score the basketball. I think he's done with that role. He wants LA, or somewhere else because he wants to play beside a guy like Kobe or Melo. He'll be incredible in a role similar to Bosh's.
Love is far too effective as a top scorer to play in a bosh's roll. Loves offensive rating is in the Lebron territory. he wants help. He has been playing with castoffs and almost players his entire career. Pair him with lowry and you have a PG/PF combo second only to Paul and Griffin. The effectiveness and efficiency of those two offensively would be ridiculous and imo more effective than the paul griffin combo.

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MU will not mortgage the future of this team (and it's flexibility) for Kevin Love.

I definitely think he can make a trade work, but he's not rid our team of 1st rounders for the next 3 years.
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1/17/14
Love 16/12/3
Amir 19/2/1

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Yep - that game Amir outplayed him big time.

I don't put to much merit into win shares when somebody hasn't been able to make the playoffs. He's a secondary offensive player on a contending team. You'll see. It will happen next year. Lebron will never be the secondary offensive player. Comparing the two because you found a comparable metric is fun.
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Yep - that game Amir outplayed him big time.

I don't put to much merit into win shares when somebody hasn't been able to make the playoffs. He's a secondary offensive player on a contending team. You'll see. It will happen next year. Lebron will never be the secondary offensive player. Comparing the two because you found a comparable metric is fun.
merely showing that his offense is at a level of the best player in the game.

There arent many pf in the league that can be the alfa male top dog number one offense either. They all need the pg to compliment them. it is the position that they play.

Griffin isnt near the player without paul
Duncan without tony
list goes on.

He is a primary offensive option on a contending team, but that option is shared through pick and roll play with the pointman.

And in that game, amir made his shots, love shot poorly, i wouldnt say that amir dominated him at all.
Loves defensive rating that game was 104, Amirs 108
TRB% 20.4% to 3.4% advantage Love
AST% 17.3% to 6.3% advantage Love
TOV% 4.8% to 6.8% advantage Love

Amir made his shots, love missed.


And Credit needs given to Lowry for that game. Amir benefited greatly from him as lowry was hitting from the outside and getting inside and dishing 6 assists. Pat amir and Lowry were the only three players that game over 50% from he floor.
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I think Griffin definitely can be and is the primary offensive player in an offense. He showed that when Paul was out with injury and the Clippers played their best basketball of the season.

I think you can see where Love's offensive game is going by how many threes he is taking. The three is his favourite spot on the floor, he hasn't been able to find a go-to-spot around the paint where he can dominate offensively. The progression in his game is similar to Bosh except he's not playing with LBJ or Wade. Put him in Bosh's shoes and he's looking alot like Bosh.

Love was implementing a sweet left handed hook on the right block earlier in the year, but it just wan't a consistent move in crunch time.

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