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Old 05-07-2014, 09:45 AM   #41 (permalink)
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The cap/tax wasn't made for teams like the Lakers to worry about. They can spend $100mil like the Nets and not care.

The tax is for teams like the Raps so they don't buy any good players and take them out of major markets.

I'd love to see a hard cap.
The cap was made precisely with teams like the Lakers in mind. They have 30M to spend, plus a ~2M bonus exception and minimum salaries. As much as they might like to spend 100M in salaries, they literally are unable to do so in free agency. It will take time (and trades, and extensions) for them to get back to that level of spending.
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The cap was made precisely with teams like the Lakers in mind. They have 30M to spend, plus a ~2M bonus exception and minimum salaries. As much as they might like to spend 100M in salaries, they literally are unable to do so in free agency. It will take time (and trades, and extensions) for them to get back to that level of spending.
So how did Brooklyn and Knicks spend all that money?

(not being a smart ass...just like to know)
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Old 05-07-2014, 10:58 AM   #43 (permalink)
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So how did Brooklyn and Knicks spend all that money?

(not being a smart ass...just like to know)
Over time, by trading and extending players. Brooklyn, for example, traded for a max level player in Williams using cap space and prospects/picks. Then had to wait a year to trade (and sign-and-trade) salary relief pieces for Joe Johnson. Then, after that, they extended Brook Lopez on a max level deal, and extended Deron Williams to his own max-level deal (which naturally was higher than it was before, with annual raises). And then waited another year and traded for two max players by sign-and-trading free agents, and took back 125% salary. Meanwhile, each year adding mid-level guys one at a time. Step by step, you can pile up salary, but not in the same year you use cap space.
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The cap/tax wasn't made for teams like the Lakers to worry about. They can spend $100mil like the Nets and not care.

The tax is for teams like the Raps so they don't buy any good players and take them out of major markets.

I'd love to see a hard cap.
Uh, do you not have any idea how the salary cap works?

You can only go over the cap to sign players you have the rights to or through exceptions.
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:35 PM   #46 (permalink)
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a question on cap space - after July 1st, which salaries are used when calculating the cap space, past season's or the future season's salaries?
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Uh, do you not have any idea how the salary cap works?

You can only go over the cap to sign players you have the rights to or through exceptions.
No I don't. That's why I asked Dan to explain it. And he did. Thanks Dan.
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:50 PM   #48 (permalink)
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a question on cap space - after July 1st, which salaries are used when calculating the cap space, past season's or the future season's salaries?
The "future" season - so in July 2014, it will be the 2014-15 salary used. But keep in mind nothing is set in stone until the 10th - so the amount of cap space is unknown until the cap is set.

"Past" season salaries apply up until June 30th.
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Not to be stupid, but that quotes basically saying lowry wants to stay right?
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He talks a lot about 'situation' playing a major factor, which basically means if a team out there that will pay him more than Toronto and lets him be the starting PG and has the highest chance at competing in the playoffs.

So what team out there will realistically make the playoffs next year, will sigh Lowry at 12m/year for 4 years, let's him be the MVP of the team, and is pretty much guaranteed a playoff seed (without injury)?

I don't see any teams out there like this.

Lakers? With how competitive the west is, and kobe & friends running the show, will Lowry get the appreciation or stardom there? I highly doubt that situation is better than toronto.

MIL, PHIL, ORL are still rebuilding and will take a year or two before they compete for high playoff position (bright future though), and PHIL already has their PG on cheaper $

MIA no cap space
Dallas has Jose calderon, so for Lowry to go there doesn't make any sense

Who else is there?
UTAH? They have trey Burke on cheaper $

It took him so many years for Lowry to find a team that will let him run the show while winning. There's no reason for Lowry to leave.

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He talks a lot about 'situation' playing a major factor, which basically means if a team out there that will pay him more than Toronto and lets him be the starting PG and has the highest chance at competing in the playoffs.

So what team out there will realistically make the playoffs next year, will sigh Lowry at 12m/year for 4 years, let's him be the MVP of the team, and is pretty much guaranteed a playoff seed (without injury)?

I don't see any teams out there like this.

Lakers? With how competitive the west is, and kobe & friends running the show, will Lowry get the appreciation or stardom there? I highly doubt that situation is better than toronto.

MIL, PHIL, ORL are still rebuilding and will take a year or two before they compete for high playoff position (bright future though), and PHIL already has their PG on cheaper $

MIA no cap space
Dallas has Jose calderon, so for Lowry to go there doesn't make any sense

Who else is there?
UTAH? They have trey Burke on cheaper $

It took him so many years for Lowry to find a team that will let him run the show while winning. There's no reason for Lowry to leave.

U do understand that's a big list that pretty much no one can offer by straight up signing him. The only way I see him finding a team that offers those, like Toronto, is thru a sign and trade.

I'm 95 percent confident he signs with us, for how much is another question.
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I'm confident he wants to sign here. The amount is the question. If he's pushing hard for 14+ mil I don't see Masai biting.

Don't count out Dallas either, I could see them going at Lowry.
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U do understand that's a big list that pretty much no one can offer by straight up signing him. The only way I see him finding a team that offers those, like Toronto, is thru a sign and trade.

I'm 95 percent confident he signs with us, for how much is another question.
some of those teams do have cap space, and if they are willing to sign Lowry whatever it takes, they could find a way to do it.. just don't see it happening.

yeah a sign & trade would mean the Raptors will get some type of compensation for losing Lowry, in which case i wouldn't mind since i doubt Masai would let him walk for free.

jazz, philly, lakers, suns, magic, pistons, hawks, bucks all have the cap space to straight up sign a kyle lowry.
But once again, I highly doubt they will go full out to sign him up nor are they a better 'situation' than Toronto.
Would say atlanta is a possibility if they didn't already have Jeff Teague signed until 2017 @ 8mill/y

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I'm confident he wants to sign here. The amount is the question. If he's pushing hard for 14+ mil I don't see Masai biting.

Don't count out Dallas either, I could see them going at Lowry.
I guess..? Calderon is signed until 2017 for 6.7 to 7.7mill/y
Unless they have some type of raptor fetish and wants to reunite Lowry with his combustible backcourt mate, or decides to pull a Bryan Colangelo and create a two PG controversy i dont see it happening.
There is no way Lowry will enter a 'situation' where he isn't THE point guard for his team. He has finally earned the recognition around the league as a top 10 PG.

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Don't count out Dallas either, I could see them going at Lowry.
I don't think they'd go this route after seeing the Lowry/Jose tandem failing in Toronto, and if they were looking to make Lowry 'the guy', I don't think it'd be possible for them to trade Jose before going after Lowry due to the insane contract that they threw at Jose, with 3 years, 22 million still left on his deal.
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I'm confident he wants to sign here. The amount is the question. If he's pushing hard for 14+ mil I don't see Masai biting.

Don't count out Dallas either, I could see them going at Lowry.
Dallas? Like has been said they have a lot of money tied up in guards as it is....no way they throw another 12mil or more at a PG. Monroe on the other hand is a player they could really use.
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Biggest worry is Houston.
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Biggest worry is Houston.
They're capped out. The only way they could offer him a 12mil contract is if they dump salary. They currently have 4 players making between 14-21mil.
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They're capped out. The only way they could offer him a 12mil contract is if they dump salary. They currently have 4 players making between 14-21mil.
Doable. Lin, Asik Caspi, Garcia.
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Doable. Lin, Asik Caspi, Garcia.
I doubt they can just dump all that and get little in return.....just to get Lowry.
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