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Old 05-19-2011, 08:30 PM   #41 (permalink)
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If we bring in a defensive assistant coach we need to do better than Marc Iavaroni, he is useless. Chances are Triano will be here for a while .. so getting a defensive assistant coach is a must.

Also I don't think Triano is the reason this team is bad defensively. It has some to do with Calderon and Bargnani who are the two vets and leaders of the team. Other guys see them slack in defense so others will do the same. I know its not ideal to think this, but thats what happens. Anyone who plays sports will know this. If you get a guy like D12 who is always playing defense his ways will eventually rub off on teammates and encourage guys to play better defense. I can speak first hand about this because I've played alot of sports on alot of different levels.

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If we bring in a defensive assistant coach we need to do better than Marc Iavaroni, he is useless. Chances are Triano will be here for a while .. so getting a defensive assistant coach is a must.

Also I don't think Triano is the reason this team is bad defensively. It has some to do with Calderon and Bargnani who are the two vets and leaders of the team. Other guys see them slack in defense so others will do the same. I know its not ideal to think this, but thats what happens. Anyone who plays sports will know this. If you get a guy like D12 who is always playing defense his ways will eventually rub off on teammates and encourage guys to play better defense. I can speak first hand about this because I've played alot of sports on alot of different levels.
Triano is A reason we're not good defensively imo. As for Triano being here for a while......if things don't change next season he's toast. Four season's, if we don't show some significant improvement on defense he SHOULD be gone for sure.

BTW, Iavaroni hasn't been here for a year. I know i keep saying it but i would see if there's any chance Lawrence Frank would come over as an assistant, then replace Jay once he's canned. lol
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Old 05-22-2011, 01:17 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Triano isn't the answer, we all know that long term it wouldn't work, I think its time to just move on
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Old 05-22-2011, 04:23 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Triano is A reason we're not good defensively imo. As for Triano being here for a while......if things don't change next season he's toast. Four season's, if we don't show some significant improvement on defense he SHOULD be gone for sure.

BTW, Iavaroni hasn't been here for a year. I know i keep saying it but i would see if there's any chance Lawrence Frank would come over as an assistant, then replace Jay once he's canned. lol
jeff, you keep mentioning Lawrence Frank as a replacement for Triano. I'm curious as to why you think he'd be good here?

Is it that the Nets went to the Finals twice under Scott and pretty much got progressively worse every year after Frank took over?

Is it his questionable rotations, lack of in-game adjustments, or the fact that he changed the offensive scheme three times in the five full years he was in New Jersey? As you know, all of the good coaches have their systems and stick to them - Jackson (Triangle), Sloan (pick and roll), D'Antoni (run and gun), etc.

Is it his late game execution? You know, where he just would run ISO's for Carter?

Is it the way he was criticized near the end of his tenure for not being able to effectively communicate with a young roster? Good thing we don't have a lot of young guys.
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jeff, you keep mentioning Lawrence Frank as a replacement for Triano. I'm curious as to why you think he'd be good here?

Is it that the Nets went to the Finals twice under Scott and pretty much got progressively worse every year after Frank took over?

Is it his questionable rotations, lack of in-game adjustments, or the fact that he changed the offensive scheme three times in the five full years he was in New Jersey? As you know, all of the good coaches have their systems and stick to them - Jackson (Triangle), Sloan (pick and roll), D'Antoni (run and gun), etc.

Is it his late game execution? You know, where he just would run ISO's for Carter?

Is it the way he was criticized near the end of his tenure for not being able to effectively communicate with a young roster? Good thing we don't have a lot of young guys.
He'd be an upgrade, has experience winning in the playoffs, knows how to teach defense unlike Triano and isn't a push over. You act as if i'm the only one that's mentioned wanting him here? If we can get Adelman, Sloan or Jackson here, by all means let's do it, but that's doubtful.

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He'd be an upgrade, has experience winning in the playoffs, knows how to teach defense unlike Triano and isn't a push over. You act as if i'm the only that's mentioned wanting him here? If we can get Adelman, Sloan or Jackson here, by all means let's do it, but that's doubtful.
Just as I assumed, you failed to even address any of the points I made.

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Really? He knows how to teach defense? Care to explain because I beg to differ.

They were the best defensive team in the league under Byron Scott (number one rated defense two years in a row in a league with extremely strong defensive teams). When Frank took over they got worse every season as the guys that played under Scott were removed from the roster until they finally bottomed out in the mid-20's the last full season he was there. Devin Harris was a very good defender in Dallas, but looked average to poor in New Jersey. Surely, a good teacher of D would still have the the team firing on all cylinders year after year.
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04-05- (Season turned around when he was hired w/13 straight wins) 92.9 points against
05-06- 92.4 points agains
06-07- 98.3 points against

His first two and a half years in NJ were impressive and as you say, the team was dismantled shortly thereafter. Therefore i'll take the usual Triano excuse around here. He didn't have the talent, so it's the players fault. And he still got the team to keep the opponents to average 100 points which would be a huge upgrade here. Frank>>>>>Triano as a defensive coach. Like i said if we can get the absolute best coaches here, by all means let's do it, but Frank would be an upgrade over our stiff.
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04-05- (Season turned around when he was hired w/13 straight wins) 92.9 points against
05-06- 92.4 points agains
06-07- 98.3 points against

His first two and a half years in NJ were impressive and as you say, the team was dismantled shortly thereafter. Therefore i'll take the usual Triano excuse around here. He didn't have the talent, so it's the players fault. And he still got the team to keep the opponents to average 100 points which would be a huge upgrade here. Frank>>>>>Triano as a defensive coach. Like i said if we can get the absolute best coaches here, by all means let's do it, but Frank would be an upgrade over our stiff.
I can assure you if we get frank you would be just as pissed as you are with Triano. Frank isn't some kind of messiah, having him here as head coach would be redundant.
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I can assure you if we get frank you would be just as pissed as you are with Triano. Frank isn't some kind of messiah, having him here as head coach would be redundant.
Messiah? I said he'd be an upgrade which he would be imo I never said he was the best coach or a miracle worker....an upgrade.
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Messiah? I said he'd be an upgrade which he would be imo I never said he was the best coach or a miracle worker....an upgrade.
The question is how big of an upgrade? I'm not sold on Frank at all, I think he is a good assistant coach like Triano but not a head coach. If we get a new coach I don't want a quick fix like Frank, I want the best available coach who can bring this team to a whole new level for years to come.
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04-05- (Season turned around when he was hired w/13 straight wins) 92.9 points against
05-06- 92.4 points agains
06-07- 98.3 points against

His first two and a half years in NJ were impressive and as you say, the team was dismantled shortly thereafter. Therefore i'll take the usual Triano excuse around here. He didn't have the talent, so it's the players fault. And he still got the team to keep the opponents to average 100 points which would be a huge upgrade here. Frank>>>>>Triano as a defensive coach. Like i said if we can get the absolute best coaches here, by all means let's do it, but Frank would be an upgrade over our stiff.
Are you ever going to address any of the points in my initial post or are you just going to keep saying he's better than Triano?

Jason Kidd had Byron Scott fired and played out of his mind once he was gone and was the defacto coach in New jersey from there on in. After going 13-0 they went 12-15 the rest of the way. League scoring was lower back then, so quoting a bunch of stats that don't include pace means absolutely nothing to me. They went from the best defense in the league 2 years in a row under Scott to 4th, to 7th, to 4th, to 15th, to 21st and to 24th. And then in his swan song, he coached them to one of the worst starts in NBA history.
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The question is how big of an upgrade? I'm not sold on Frank at all, I think he is a good assistant coach like Triano but not a head coach. If we get a new coach I don't want a quick fix like Frank, I want the best available coach who can bring this team to a whole new level for years to come.
Sure, but out of the "bes available coaches" which ones would come here? We've had ONE experienced HC in the history of this franchise and it was ptetty much on the downslope of his career. Would JVG come here, would Adelman come here, would Sloan come here?
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Sure, but out of the "bes available coaches" which ones would come here? We've had ONE experienced HC in the history of this franchise and it was ptetty much on the downslope of his career. Would JVG come here, would Adelman come here, would Sloan come here?
Maybe Adelman. Personally I wouldn't want Sloan here unless hes an assistant coach. I also don't see JVG coaching ever again. Sloan is too old to coach, he even said so himself. I want a young coach on this team not an old guy who looks dead on the bench. A guy like Derek Fisher coaching this team would be incredible, although it would probably never happen.
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I don't think Sloan will coach this year. He'll likely take the year off before returning. And when he does, I think he'll want to go to a team that is on the verge on contending for a title.

As for Triano, I'm not a fan of his. I think he's a very good assistant head coach but not coaching material. He lacks the presence needed to hold the players' attention. In addition, he still makes questionable rotation decisions and his defensive scheme is amateurish at best. Despite 2+ seasons as head coach, the Raptors continue to make the same defensive mistakes over and over again. This isn't the result of young, inexperienced players on the court but just poor coaching.
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how bout terry porter? he was a defensive minded coach
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jeff, you keep mentioning Lawrence Frank as a replacement for Triano. I'm curious as to why you think he'd be good here?

Is it that the Nets went to the Finals twice under Scott and pretty much got progressively worse every year after Frank took over?

Is it his questionable rotations, lack of in-game adjustments, or the fact that he changed the offensive scheme three times in the five full years he was in New Jersey? As you know, all of the good coaches have their systems and stick to them - Jackson (Triangle), Sloan (pick and roll), D'Antoni (run and gun), etc.

Is it his late game execution? You know, where he just would run ISO's for Carter?

Is it the way he was criticized near the end of his tenure for not being able to effectively communicate with a young roster? Good thing we don't have a lot of young guys.
I don't rate Frank at all. A coach who laughs and claps at the opponents missed FTs. He was no match to Thibideaux at Cs even after having been a head coach.
I agree though on everything else with jeffb.
You watch TO, and say it's horrible! Where's the D? Why is JT re-entering a player when the current unit is making a run? Why can't he say anything to Bargs (Bosh prior)?
Then you watch JT talk about the plans and needs, and you think, oh, yeah! That's the right thing! That's what we need! That's the right direction!
But then, nothing holds true again!
JT should carry on as an assistant. He doesn't see trying hard and winning as an important part of development of young players. He might be a decent coach, but he's not a game coach.
Was it Jazz representative at combine who said that you don't learn anything by losing?
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