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LX 12-04-2012 11:23 PM

Koreen: what to fix first?
 
Toronto Raptors need to figure out what to fix first | NBA | Sports | National Post

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• If the Raptors had to prioritize their problems, defence would probably be at the top of the list. Before Tuesday evening’s games, Toronto is 25th in points allowed per possession, a year after finishing 14th. They are 27th in opponent’s field goal percentage a year after finishing tied for seventh. They are 26th in opponent’s three-point percentage a year after finishing fifth. Last year, Dwane Casey coaxed dramatic improvements on the defensive end from the Raptors. They have fallen off in almost every area. Improving the defence would be the quickest route to increased success. However, the Raptors’ problems go far beyond that.

• The Raptors are 21st in points per possession, a year after finishing 29th. It is a modest improvement, and one that would likely be more pronounced if Kyle Lowry did not injure his ankle in the fourth game of the year — he has not been the player since. Also related to Lowry’s injury: The Raptors are just 17th in pace of play, after spending much of the pre-season talking about the necessity of running. The Raptors would be running more if they were getting more stops.

• There can be no denying that Andrea Bargnani’s prime value is on the offensive end of the floor. It is kind of inexplicable, then, how he went from taking just four field-goal attempts on Friday against Phoenix (a win) to taking 20 in the loss to Denver. Debating Bargnani’s overall value necessitates a lot more than a few sentences — actually, it might make a good topic for a Master’s thesis — but it goes without saying that if he is on the floor, he loses much of his value if he is not trying to score.

• The first three players who started on the wing next to DeMar DeRozan — Landry Fields (out of the lineup indefinitely after ulnar nerve surgery), Dominic McGuire (recently released) and Linas Kleiza — brought virtually nothing to the table on either end of the floor. The Raptors are now relying on Mickael Pietrus, who was living in France a week ago, to fix that. Meanwhile, DeRozan’s offensive improvement following his contract extension remains a reality, but he is not a better defensive player than he has been in the past (although that is significantly impacted by what is going on around him).

Now, this is not a long justification for panic, although the roster, as ever, remains fundamentally flawed. However, the notion that the Raptors are merely a few good bounces away from being a decent team is misleading. When those bounces are so different in nature, it is hard to know what to attempt to fix first.

More to the point: With the NHL lockout on, this was a chance for the Raptors to take advantage of the quiet local sports scene. Instead, they have failed to even match the results of last year’s team, one that could be defined as short on talent but gritty with a single-minded purpose: defence.

This year’s Raptors? As of this very moment, they come without a definition. They are nowhere.

KoolAid 12-04-2012 11:37 PM

Bang on.

jeffb 12-04-2012 11:42 PM

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It is kind of inexplicable, then, how he went from taking just four field-goal attempts on Friday against Phoenix (a win) to taking 20 in the loss to Denver. Debating Bargnani’s overall value necessitates a lot more than a few sentences — actually, it might make a good topic for a Master’s thesis — but it goes without saying that if he is on the floor, he loses much of his value if he is not trying to score.
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The Raptors are just 17th in pace of play, after spending much of the pre-season talking about the necessity of running. The Raptors would be running more if they were getting more stops.
+1

thought 12-04-2012 11:44 PM

yeah, i don't buy the fact that this team is actually a decent team and only a few bounces away from being .500. or whatever. you never hear a good team say "oh, we're only a few bounces away from being a bad team." it's because good teams close out games and win, bad teams don't. this is a bad team. and honestly, i didn't see this coming, i thought they'd be a decent squad, and i still think they can be.

having said that i've always been a staunch advocate of tank nation and this year the tank can be two-fold: 1) draft pick of course and 2) it might actually force the usual suspects out of town. this has all just been going on way too muthafuckin long. how i've always seen it is hey, you know what, this team has basically never been good under my watch, save for a couple years, so why am i in a rush to see them win?

jeffb 12-04-2012 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by thought (Post 714363)
yeah, i don't buy the fact that this team is actually a decent team and only a few bounces away from being .500. or whatever. you never hear a good team say "oh, we're only a few bounces away from being a bad team." it's because good teams close out games and win, bad teams don't. this is a bad team. and honestly, i didn't see this coming, i thought they'd be a decent squad, and i still think they can be.

having said that i've always been a staunch advocate of tank nation and this year the tank can be two-fold: 1) draft pick of course and 2) it might actually force the usual suspects out of town. this has all just been going on way too muthafuckin long. how i've always seen it is hey, you know what, this team has basically never been good under my watch, save for a couple years, so why am i in a rush to see them win?

This should be a better team, talent wise on paper it's a better team for sure. The chemistry is off, the offense is all out wack. Casey has lost his touch for sure. If we just stayed around the same defensively this season (12th overall on D) we'd be .500 or better imo. We can't seem to make stops in the 4th quarter, our rotations are still a mess. At the same time i thought we'd be a 38+ win team but i said it depends on staying healthy which we haven't.

Bargn88 12-05-2012 12:18 AM

I think the fact that our defence is generally better when we have the second unit out there just further proves what Casey keeps using as the reason for the defensive struggles. The rotation off the bench aside from Ross have been year since last year and know all the schemes, meanwhile we have 3 new players in our starting 5. Chemistry on both the defensive and offensive end is lacking when the starters are out there, and one can only hope it eventually works out

Dario 12-05-2012 12:20 AM

Basic conclusion to this thread, Bargnani needs to be traded.

pzabby 12-05-2012 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dario (Post 714398)
bargs needs to be dealt, basic conclusion to this thread.

did you pass high school english?

Dario 12-05-2012 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 714415)
did you pass high school english?

I finished with English 12, do I need to post everything that has to be punctually correct?

pzabby 12-05-2012 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dario (Post 714418)
I finished with English 12, do I need to post everything that has to be punctually correct?

I wasn't referring to your grammer. I was referring to your conclusion. trading bargnani, was in no way shape or form, the conclusion to that story

Bargn88 12-05-2012 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dario (Post 714418)
I finished with English 12, do I need to post everything that has to be punctually correct?

How did you fare in English Comprehension

Dario 12-05-2012 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bargn88 (Post 714443)
How did you fare in English Comprehension

Same thing man, If I threw a comma in a better place there it would of made more sense. Why all the hate?

Bargn88 12-05-2012 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dario (Post 714448)
Same thing man, If I through a comma in a better place there it would of made more sense. Why all the hate?

Ya...nevermind

Go Raptors

Dario 12-05-2012 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bargn88 (Post 714453)
Ya...nevermind

Go Raptors

Officially a bargn88 fan, what other sports does this Koreen guy report?

Bargn88 12-05-2012 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dario (Post 714455)
Officially a bargn88 fan, what other sports does this Koreen guy report?

I think it's mostly basketball, check out the avatar for his twitter.

https://twitter.com/ekoreen

Dario 12-05-2012 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bargn88 (Post 714458)
I think it's mostly basketball, check out the avatar for his twitter.

https://twitter.com/ekoreen

ah that guy, thanks man

ClingRap 12-05-2012 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 714441)
I wasn't referring to your grammAr (fixed). I was referring to your conclusion. trading bargnani, was in no way shape or form, the conclusion to that story

:police:

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu 12-05-2012 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bargn88 (Post 714396)
I think the fact that our defence is generally better when we have the second unit out there just further proves what Casey keeps using as the reason for the defensive struggles.

No. It proves Bargnani IS the reason. We go to dead last in the league when he's not hurt this year. Our offense improves marginally with him playing. I'm really starting to wonder if he offers anything at all. Scratch that.. I've realized his value to the team is negative.

And if you don't beleive it then tell me who is the reason our D is so bad out of Lowry, Derozan, Jonus and McGuire/Pietrus. Its not just chemistry.

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 714441)
I wasn't referring to your grammer. I was referring to your conclusion. trading bargnani, was in no way shape or form, the conclusion to that story

Bullshit.

carp 12-05-2012 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabbadu (Post 714593)
No. It proves Bargnani IS the reason. We go to dead last in the league when he's not hurt this year. Our offense improves marginally with him playing. I'm really starting to wonder if he offers anything at all. Scratch that.. I've realized his value to the team is negative.

And if you don't beleive it then tell me who is the reason our D is so bad out of Lowry, Derozan, Jonus and McGuire/Pietrus. Its not just chemistry.

Our scoring is anemic without AB... it's true, which means that these other mooks need to learn how to be better with him. Demar needs to be a stud defender, I wish he was. If Demar and Lowry actually play their parts, we're going to be very good. This team has talent but Jose needs to return SF help, pronto.


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