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Old 12-03-2013, 01:08 PM   #81 (permalink)
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I think Pzabby's reply of 'no' was appropriate. This ridiculous notion hardly deserves even that effort.
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Old 12-03-2013, 01:09 PM   #82 (permalink)
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I think Pzabby's reply of 'no' was appropriate. This ridiculous notion hardly deserves even that effort.
Says the guy who just put a lot more effort to make an even dumber post.

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's ridiculous.
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Old 12-03-2013, 01:31 PM   #83 (permalink)
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Have to? What are you looking at?
well you are saying we should look into it. What exactly do you expect DD to fetch? If that amazing trade was available I'm sure MU would do it. But to call around shopping Derozan should be the last thing on to do list..

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Old 12-03-2013, 01:44 PM   #84 (permalink)
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well you are saying we should look into it. What exactly do you expect DD to fetch? If that amazing trade was available Im sure MU would do it. But to call around shopping Derozan should be least thing on to do list..
Don't know, but yes I would hope we're looking into. I would have to think MU has and will look into it. What we could get now, unsure but as we get closer to the deadline it might be better offers and injuries around the league might play a role there. I'm not saying we have to trade him, but we certainly need to be entertaining offers for him, possibly as part of a bigger package. I would have to think that trade talks are on going and my guess is DD name gets brought up quite a bit.

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Old 12-03-2013, 01:56 PM   #85 (permalink)
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I think you guys are crazy.....DD is putting it all together, his 3pt% is up to .383 this year, he's averaging 21.6 ppg, his stats are up and he's still only 24 AND still wants to get better. Now is not the time to trade him. KL/RG are the players that should and need to go.
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:08 PM   #86 (permalink)
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Don't know, but yes I would hope we're looking into. I would have to think MU has and will look into it. What we could get now, unsure but as we get closer to the deadline it might be better offers and injuries around the league might play a role there. I'm not saying we have to trade him, but we certainly need to be entertaining offers for him, possibly as part of a bigger package. I would have to think that trade talks are on going and my guess is DD name gets brought up quite a bit.
See that's the thing, DD is close to all star caliber now, I would think we can get someone like Deng, but I wouldn't do it.. Deng is expiring and could just walk away.
DD is not good enough to bring back lottery picks either. So saying lets look to trade him is pointless unless you/Koreen has an idea what can we get. If so please tell me some of those trade ideas. If not it's just like me saying Raptors should trade Lowry.. That's great! but it's useless suggestion.
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See that's the thing, DD is close to all star caliber now, I would think we can get someone like Deng, but I wouldn't do it.. Deng is expiring and could just walk away.
DD is not good enough to bring back lottery picks either. So saying lets look to trade him is pointless unless you/Koreen has an idea what can we get. If so please tell me some of those trade ideas. If not it's just like me saying Raptors should trade Lowry.. That's great! but it's useless suggestion.
Please, we're schmucks on a message board. How the hell do I or anyone else know what we could get. And I don't think we can get a lot right, too early. All I'm saying is that between now and the trade deadline if we get a good offer it should be entertained.
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Old 12-03-2013, 03:12 PM   #88 (permalink)
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What is a good offer?
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Old 12-03-2013, 03:35 PM   #89 (permalink)
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So you were never a fan of DD but because of the last two weeks we shouldn't trade him. Instead we should trade players that won't fetch much? Yeah, that should help with the treadmill. Oh but we'll have capspace which has always served us well.

As for suggesting players to trade, there is nobody on this roster at this point that we have to keep. Not one player imo should be seen as untouchable and that includes JV.
I was never a fan of DD until this year. Correct.

Yes we should trade players that won't fetch much. We didn't give much up for Rudy Gay but he is baggage that costs 20 million dollars each year and so far has done nothing but fuck up the offense. How does trading our best player for a future pick every time they develop help keep us on a treadmill? How does having no cap space help get us OFF said treadmill then?

As for Lowry I'm on the fence about trading him. If he will get us a decent return trade him. If he won't let him play it out and either resign him or use the cap space better.

Nobody is untouchable is for sure, but some players are better value than others.

And what is a good offer?
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What is a good offer?
I agree with LOG that a vet is worse than a lateral move. DeMar is starting to play like a vet himself at this point. And just creaming our pants over a draft pick like moremilk suggests, is just looking to spend more time to get that pick to where DeMar is now, unless you get lucky and hit the jackpot. I don't think you want to lose what is becoming your best value player for a slim chance to hit the jackpot.

Now this draft does offer better than a slim chance if some team is willing to be dumb enough to deal that away for anybody. In any case there would have to be a useful player that brings the salary back - a guy Masai has on his big board of player acquisitions - and a decent shot at hitting the jackpot with a pick. If more players could be brought into the deal from both sides, or involving more teams, in order to do a lot of work towards fully constructing a roster they want to go forward with, then it works ok for me. Anything else and it's just shit we can see everyday in the trade proposal thread, which is not what I want to see from my GM, all due respect to the fine human beings that participate in that thread, as well as in half of all other threads once they get annexed into trade proposal threads, such as this one.
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Nobody on this team is untouchable. If the right deal for DD comes along we should take it.
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Nobody on this team is untouchable. If the right deal for DD comes along we should take it.
You could say that about anybody in the league. Lebron might be a challenge, but otherwise yeah.
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Old 12-03-2013, 07:57 PM   #93 (permalink)
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I agree with LOG that a vet is worse than a lateral move. DeMar is starting to play like a vet himself at this point. And just creaming our pants over a draft pick like moremilk suggests, is just looking to spend more time to get that pick to where DeMar is now, unless you get lucky and hit the jackpot. I don't think you want to lose what is becoming your best value player for a slim chance to hit the jackpot.

Now this draft does offer better than a slim chance if some team is willing to be dumb enough to deal that away for anybody. In any case there would have to be a useful player that brings the salary back - a guy Masai has on his big board of player acquisitions - and a decent shot at hitting the jackpot with a pick. If more players could be brought into the deal from both sides, or involving more teams, in order to do a lot of work towards fully constructing a roster they want to go forward with, then it works ok for me. Anything else and it's just shit we can see everyday in the trade proposal thread, which is not what I want to see from my GM, all due respect to the fine human beings that participate in that thread, as well as in half of all other threads once they get annexed into trade proposal threads, such as this one.
I definitely agree with all this
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Reading some of this old stuff is fun.
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Old 04-04-2014, 10:06 PM   #95 (permalink)
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I've been thinking about all the posts regarding how fucked this team is if Lowry goes down.
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I've been thinking about all the posts regarding how fucked this team is if Lowry goes down.
Right now, the Lowry bulldog blood is running through the veins of every Raptor.

His heart was on the court tonight.
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I've been thinking about all the posts regarding how fucked this team is if Lowry goes down.
Wondering if people are still unhappy that we're not tanking for Wiggins anymore?
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Right now, the Lowry bulldog blood is running through the veins of every Raptor.

His heart was on the court tonight.
Yep - that's what team ball allows for. He's best when he isn't trying to do it himself, and then when he can't play that role still persists and proves functional.
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I've been thinking about all the posts regarding how fucked this team is if Lowry goes down.
Guilty.


Didn't think DeRozan could play well *consistently* without Lowry. Thought he couldn't handle the pressure. Proved me wrong. For 2 games atleast.
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Guilty.


Didn't think DeRozan could play well *consistently* without Lowry. Thought he couldn't handle the pressure. Proved me wrong. For 2 games atleast.
I think it really allows for him to develop better chemistry with other players. It can't be him trying to do too much either. They've all got it figured out beautifully, and they can all continue getting better together. This is the team i've dreamed of.
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