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Old 11-20-2013, 01:56 PM   #21 (permalink)
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It does seem that the rhetoric of the coach and said players suggests there is some inherent belief in the room that it's all about those two leading us somewhere. They talk about how they are the scorers, and leaders, of the team, but this team seems like it has too much role definition and not enough accountability. We can't have our two best players defining themselves by how many points they score.
Inherent belief? Or dictated dogma?
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Old 11-20-2013, 01:56 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Here is a way to improve the offense.

PASS THE DAMN BALL!!!

The few plays I have seen this year which made me smile and get real happy, was when there was ball movment. Kickouts, cuts to the basket. Everyone got a touch before the shot. They need to do that more, make Gay and Demar play 1st pass like when you are kids. The ball stops with them, they try to do a dribble move, it doesnt work they settle for the long J, and it bricks
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Old 11-20-2013, 01:57 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Jose definitely got the bigs involved..... at least give him that.
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and was better at taking care of the rock...
It's not so night and day. Lowry had 10 assists and no turnovers the other night, and he does get the bigs involved when he plays more from baseline to baseline.
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Old 11-20-2013, 02:05 PM   #24 (permalink)
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The bigs need to be involved more naturally. Lately we've been starting with JV in the post and he hasn't been able to deliver.

Robin Lopez destroyed him on the glass in the 4th quarter. JV needs to step up his game, grab some offensive rebouonds of his own, he's been slacking lately.

Casey needs to start playing the guys who are delivering - end of story. We're still in Collangelo land where our starting 5 appears etched in stone despite being horrible.
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It's not so night and day. Lowry had 10 assists and no turnovers the other night, and he does get the bigs involved when he plays more from baseline to baseline.
hey, I agree... but I'm just saying that Jose definitely was able to come in and run some plays.... it wasn't just pounding the ball. Also, he was working with a much more raw wing combination, so he never had the option to even just dump it off to those two, even if it's a terrible option.

Unfortunately these two athletic wings haven't learned how to move without the ball very well and really don't understand how to get great positioning to receive a pass and score easier buckets. That's not on Lowry or Jose.... so neither were or are the issue.
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The bigs need to be involved more naturally. Lately we've been starting with JV in the post and he hasn't been able to deliver.

Robin Lopez destroyed him on the glass in the 4th quarter. JV needs to step up his game, grab some offensive rebouonds of his own, he's been slacking lately.

Casey needs to start playing the guys who are delivering - end of story. We're still in Collangelo land where our starting 5 appears etched in stone despite being horrible.
JV had some moments against Portland, but it was also mostly by dumping it in to allow him to post up.... so yeah, still not so natural but he also had a few great rebounds and putbacks.... but just not frequent enough.

You're right though, we have to see his unbelievable motor a little bit more consistently have an impact on games.
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hey, I agree... but I'm just saying that Jose definitely was able to come in and run some plays.... it wasn't just pounding the ball. Also, he was working with a much more raw wing combination, so he never had the option to even just dump it off to those two, even if it's a terrible option.

Unfortunately these two athletic wings haven't learned how to move without the ball very well and really don't understand how to get great positioning to receive a pass and score easier buckets. That's not on Lowry or Jose.... so neither were or are the issue.
Keep in mind that Jose NEVER played a minute with Gay, so it's pure supposition trying to figure out what the result would have been.
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hey, I agree... but I'm just saying that Jose definitely was able to come in and run some plays.... it wasn't just pounding the ball. Also, he was working with a much more raw wing combination, so he never had the option to even just dump it off to those two, even if it's a terrible option.

Unfortunately these two athletic wings haven't learned how to move without the ball very well and really don't understand how to get great positioning to receive a pass and score easier buckets. That's not on Lowry or Jose.... so neither were or are the issue.
Sure, but at the same time i think off-the-ball movement and positioning has been taken out of the game to some extent in today's nba.
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Sure, but at the same time i think off-the-ball movement and positioning has been taken out of the game to some extent in today's nba.
For the poorer teams. The teams that still do are the best teams: Miami, San Antonio, Golden State, Indiana, Portland- they're also the teams that are most enjoyable to watch.
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Sure, but at the same time i think off-the-ball movement and positioning has been taken out of the game to some extent in today's nba.
maybe more in the east, but in the west it certainly seems at least to me much more prominent.
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Old 11-20-2013, 03:25 PM   #31 (permalink)
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maybe more in the east, but in the west it certainly seems at least to me much more prominent.
I think you see stagnancy with the clips and thunder. The Spurs are simply masterful enough to be able to overcome any schemes. Having three guys playing together for a decade helps there. Tim still does not get quite the same post-up chances as he once did. And with Golden State you have offensive threats everywhere. And if they get shut down they can still launch from mid-court. That's what's needed. That's why Ray went to the Heat. He could run around all he wanted in Boston, if guys were going to play off of Rondo then he wasn't going to get the same opportunities as before. Defenses do not have to chase like they used to.
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I think you see stagnancy with the clips and thunder. The Spurs are simply masterful enough to be able to overcome any schemes. Having three guys playing together for a decade helps there. Tim still does not get quite the same post-up chances as he once did. And with Golden State you have offensive threats everywhere. And if they get shut down they can still launch from mid-court. That's what's needed. That's why Ray went to the Heat. He could run around all he wanted in Boston, if guys were going to play off of Rondo then he wasn't going to get the same opportunities as before. Defenses do not have to chase like they used to.
Absolutely right, but both LAC and OKC have tremendous athletes and scorers that can overcome some stagnancy... but Paul dominates the ball there while still getting others involved, while Westbrook and Durant are just supremely talented scorers. We don't have athletes or scorers that compare so we should be trying to be more active rather than stagnant..... I'm just saying we should be trying!!!
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Absolutely right, but both LAC and OKC have tremendous athletes and scorers that can overcome some stagnancy... but Paul dominates the ball there while still getting others involved, while Westbrook and Durant are just supremely talented scorers. We don't have athletes or scorers that compare so we should be trying to be more active rather than stagnant..... I'm just saying we should be trying!!!
What are you talking about? We have tremendous athletes and scorers. Do I need to search for posts of people who said DD and Gay are not far behind George and some people who also said Lowry is as good as Westbrook . Seriously though, you have a point.
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Absolutely right, but both LAC and OKC have tremendous athletes and scorers that can overcome some stagnancy... but Paul dominates the ball there while still getting others involved, while Westbrook and Durant are just supremely talented scorers. We don't have athletes or scorers that compare so we should be trying to be more active rather than stagnant..... I'm just saying we should be trying!!!
Absolutely. It's another mystery to me, because they did have that coming together pretty nicely to close out last season. I think maybe some of the difference lies in trying to get better shots for the wings, which has happened to a degree. But the other parts have been left out of the mix as a result. Maybe they should just go back to worse shots for the wings and more activity overall. Damn you analytics!
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Absolutely. It's another mystery to me, because they did have that coming together pretty nicely to close out last season. I think maybe some of the difference lies in trying to get better shots for the wings, which has happened to a degree. But the other parts have been left out of the mix as a result. Maybe they should just go back to worse shots for the wings and more activity overall. Damn you analytics!
Well, teams like PHI, CHA and even ORL were supposed to be really bad, we were supposed to be better than our record. When you look at the big picture, it makes sense.
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I feel the offense runs best when Fields is in the game. He passes it (Maybe because he has no shot), but he is amazing at cutting to the basket which allowed an easy pass to him. Even ross moves more than Gay
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I feel the offense runs best when Fields is in the game. He passes it (Maybe because he has no shot), but he is amazing at cutting to the basket which allowed an easy pass to him. Even ross moves more than Gay
I still don't understand why he has fallen out of favour with Casey. Just another Raptor mystery.
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I still don't understand why he has fallen out of favour with Casey. Just another Raptor mystery.
Because we need to showcase DD, Gay and KL
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Fields has fallen out of the rotation because he isn't good enough to play more than a few minutes at a time and stay effective. He's a 10th man at best on a good team. Some of you are massively overrating him after his decent start to the year. He still blows chunks.

And yes, running more Lowry pick and rolls would lead to better offence because our bigs would be more involved in plays in getting drop off passes and offensive rebounding opportunities at the rim, but its not going to happen, because our wings need the ball in order to shoot 20+ times a game.
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Old 11-20-2013, 05:47 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Fields would be nice if he had any confidence in his shot. I thought he had regained some, but then you could see him turn down open shots and muck up possessions. That is one good way to mess with passing - needing to double check on where the ball is going to when there is an open man.
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