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Old 03-12-2009, 03:02 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I think $4 million is a decent deal for the Raps. This is a non-story. The Knicks are over the cap and used the MLE on Duhon. So the maximum they can sign me for is the LLE, which is around 2 million dollars. Why in the world would Delfino take 2 million a year and not to mention the LLE you have to sign at least for 2 years.
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Old 03-12-2009, 03:03 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I can't believe you guys wouldn't take Delfino for 4 million a year, he is a solid defender, very good rebounder and good three point shooter. He is everything the Raps need right now.
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I can't believe you guys wouldn't take Delfino for 4 million a year, he is a solid defender, very good rebounder and good three point shooter. He is everything the Raps need right now.
He didn't get that much playing time last year or the years in Detroit for a reason - he's not that good. As for him being a solid 3-point shooter, one night he's on and other nights, he couldn't throw the ball into the water if he was standing on the beach. I wouldn't pay 4 million for that. 2 million on the other hand, that's a different story. I would do that no problem.
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He didn't get that much playing time last year or the years in Detroit for a reason - he's not that good. As for him being a solid 3-point shooter, one night he's on and other nights, he couldn't throw the ball into the water if he was standing on the beach. I wouldn't pay 4 million for that. 2 million on the other hand, that's a different story. I would do that no problem.
He shot 38% on the season, so he must have been on for most of the time. He is not going to be paid 4 million for just three point shooting, but he plays good defence and is a very good rebounder. People underrated him when he was here, they just couldn't get passed his chucking to realize what else he brings the the Raps.
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He shot 38% on the season, so he must have been on for most of the time. He is not going to be paid 4 million for just three point shooting, but he plays good defence and is a very good rebounder. People underrated him when he was here, they just couldn't get passed his chucking to realize what else he brings the the Raps.
38% qualifies as "on most of the time"? That's still a failure rate. I mean, if you scored 38% on a test, would you say "yeah, I was on top of my game?". I know, it's an ass comment, I apologize in advance, we know no one shoots 100%, but 38 is okay, but he's too streaky to warrant that kind of money. For the numbers he can put up as a 7th-8th guy, we can find a dude in the FA camp held in the summer that puts up the same type of numbers.

I'd rather have Joey for about the same money than Delfino. Hell, I'd rather re-up AP for around the same price than give that money to Delfino. Delfino is okay, but he's not better than Joey or AP.

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I'd give him 4Mil before giving AP 4Mil.

AP- 34 yrs old (in may),more and more inconsistent each year, aging, 3pt% has gone down every season 40% this season, pretty good on defence, doesn't like the smell of paint.

Delfino- 27yrs old (in August), good on defence, inconsistent shooter (career 40% from 3), can get to the rim.
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I think $4 million is a decent deal for the Raps. This is a non-story. The Knicks are over the cap and used the MLE on Duhon. So the maximum they can sign me for is the LLE, which is around 2 million dollars. Why in the world would Delfino take 2 million a year and not to mention the LLE you have to sign at least for 2 years.
Yep, the story could be true, but the number isn't. And since i also can't see delfino signing for 2 mil, i'm guessing there's no truth truth to the rumour, at least until the summer.
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38% qualifies as "on most of the time"? That's still a failure rate. I mean, if you scored 38% on a test, would you say "yeah, I was on top of my game?". I know, it's an ass comment, I apologize in advance, we know no one shoots 100%, but 38 is okay, but he's too streaky to warrant that kind of money. For the numbers he can put up as a 7th-8th guy, we can find a dude in the FA camp held in the summer that puts up the same type of numbers.

I'd rather have Joey for about the same money than Delfino. Hell, I'd rather re-up AP for around the same price than give that money to Delfino. Delfino is okay, but he's not better than Joey or AP.
What has Joey shown you the last 4 years to be considered better than Delfino? Delfino is a better shooter, can drive to basket better and plays better defence and they are equal rebounders. AP has aged, Delfino will be a major upgrade over him.

And I am sorry the comment about 38% considered a failure is just stupid. We are talking about a game where 40% shooters are considered excellent.
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I'd give him 4Mil before giving AP 4Mil.

AP- 34 yrs old (in may),more and more inconsistent each year, aging, 3pt% has gone down every season 40% this season, pretty good on defence, doesn't like the smell of paint.

Delfino- 27yrs old (in August), good on defence, inconsistent shooter (career 40% from 3), can get to the rim.
If Delfino played out of his mind in Europe - or put up numbers the way AP did, then maybe you can make a case for him, but shit, Delfino didn't even play well in Russia. In the off-season, no team tendered an offer to him. There's a reason why that happened. If he gets 4 million+ a year, I'll lose it and really start to question Colangelo (something I normally don't do)
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4mil. HAHAHA no thank you. Have a fun life in NY
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What has Joey shown you the last 4 years to be considered better than Delfino? Delfino is a better shooter, can drive to basket better and plays better defence and they are equal rebounders. AP has aged, Delfino will be a major upgrade over him.

And I am sorry the comment about 38% considered a failure is just stupid. We are talking about a game where 40% shooters are considered excellent.
Two completely different players who bring completely different skill sets.

Joey has a better mid-range game and is better at finishing in the paint.

Their D is comparable.

Carlos is awesome when he's hot, be he also can shoot a team out of a game when he's not hitting his shots and just keeps firing them up.

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What has Joey shown you the last 4 years to be considered better than Delfino? Delfino is a better shooter, can drive to basket better and plays better defence and they are equal rebounders. AP has aged, Delfino will be a major upgrade over him.

And I am sorry the comment about 38% considered a failure is just stupid. We are talking about a game where 40% shooters are considered excellent.
There's a reason why Delfino was a career bencher in Detroit and wasn't a starter here. I don't know why you think he's some sort of basketball god.
Joey knows his role, he doesn't shoot very often, takes it to the hole, he's very physical, and does the same stuff as Delfino - in addition that (at least I consider) Joey to be more athletic and more explosive.
AP brings intangibles to the team that no one else does. I wouldn't sign him long term, but a 1-year re-up seems reasonable.


And I apologized for the comment, so get off your high horse there bud.
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There's a reason why Delfino was a career bencher in Detroit and wasn't a starter here. I don't know why you think he's some sort of basketball god.
Joey knows his role, he doesn't shoot very often, takes it to the hole, he's very physical, and does the same stuff as Delfino - in addition that (at least I consider) Joey to be more athletic and more explosive.
AP brings intangibles to the team that no one else does. I wouldn't sign him long term, but a 1-year re-up seems reasonable.


And I apologized for the comment, so get off your high horse there bud.
In Detroit he played behind Prince and Hamilton, he would never be a starter there. I agree about Joey being athletic, but Delfino brings more offensively and defensively. Joey is just an undersized power forward. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one since neither of us are going to change our minds.

I apologize for the rash reaction, it was not needed.
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$4 million? Delfino is delusional. With the new CBA and lower salary cap, nobody is going to sign a 7th/8th man off the bench for that much.
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Well I for one would take him back for 4mill as a backup guard. I think his overall package is worth the spotty shot selection....and if we actually have some talent in front of him he won't be given any green lights to shoot. Remember we desparately needed him to win games last year...on the right squad if he were just a nice bench piece it would be a different situation.
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In Detroit he played behind Prince and Hamilton, he would never be a starter there. I agree about Joey being athletic, but Delfino brings more offensively and defensively. Joey is just an undersized power forward. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one since neither of us are going to change our minds.

I apologize for the rash reaction, it was not needed.
Granted, yes, he could never be the starter in Detroit, but he didn't get much playing time either. I mean, you would think he could play the 2-3 and get at least 20-23 minutes a night, but coaches didn't have faith in him for whatever reason. You can label Joey as an undersized 4 - and he can play it, but we've seen him play the 3 quite admirably. He has a very good post game that he's just started to utilize. I'm not saying Delinfo is a crap player. I'm just not saying he's worth 4 million + a season.

And again, I'm sorry about my previous comments, homie. I was just being snarky.
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If Delfino played out of his mind in Europe - or put up numbers the way AP did, then maybe you can make a case for him, but shit, Delfino didn't even play well in Russia. In the off-season, no team tendered an offer to him. There's a reason why that happened. If he gets 4 million+ a year, I'll lose it and really start to question Colangelo (something I normally don't do)
Honestly,
Who have you seen that plays out of their mind in Europe...?
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Honestly,
Who have you seen that plays out of their mind in Europe...?
Out of their mind was the wrong phrase. I would have settled for "admirably".
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Honestly,
Who have you seen that plays out of their mind in Europe...?
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Out of their mind was the wrong phrase. I would have settled for "admirably".
Lol, that sounds great. But what do you mean by admirably? kissing babies while he takes layups and helping old ladies find their seats?
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