Kleiza's career might be in doubt
Old 02-22-2013, 10:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok, this pretty much cements it, he'll be amnestied imo.

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The 28-year-old Kleiza has been sidelined for the last couple of months and has appeared in only 20 games this season. According to Asta Zukaite of 15min.lt, this number is unlikely to change.

It is claimed that the player could not only be done for the season, but the future of his career in general is in doubt.

Although Kleiza has stated that the knee issues have been caused by a long summer with the Lithuanian national team, unconfirmed sources suggest that the first arthroscopic surgery, which was performed by Dr. J. Richard Steadman in Colorado in 2011, might not have gone fully according to plan.

According to the former head of the Lithuanian national team’s delegation and a good friend of Kleiza, Antanas Guoga, it is likely that the surgery will need to be repeated.

Kleiza done for the year? / News - LithuaniaBasketball.com
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:30 AM   #2 (permalink)
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call me crazy, but was it even in doubt, that it was in doubt??? I have been posting for a while that he was finished....cuz he is. Thats why he hasnt been amnetied.
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call me crazy, but was it even in doubt, that it was in doubt??? I have been posting for a while that he was finished....cuz he is. Thats why he hasnt been amnetied.
Well, we all suspected but now we know he's absolutely done for the season and his future is for sure in trouble.


On a side note, not asking for Pietrus to play or anything but is he also hurt?
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Wait so maybe we can get him off the books without amnestying? Isn't three an inured player exception?
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Well, we all suspected but now we know he's absolutely done for the season and his future is for sure in trouble.


On a side note, not asking for Pietrus to play or anything but is he also hurt?
I think Pietrus' knees are shot.
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Wait so maybe we can get him off the books without amnestying? Isn't three an inured player exception?
There is - it removes an injured player who is forced to retire from the cap. But it is all kinds of terrible in terms of practicality. Could happen, but an NBA and NBPA doctor would have to determine that the injury is indeed "career-ending," and then there is a waiting period before it can be applied.

Another option is the disabled player exception - a team has to keep the player's salary on the roster, but is given an exception that acts like a MLE but only to sign 1-year deals (for Kleiza, it would be 2.3M) or like a TPE (effective trade value of 2.4M) to acquire expiring contracts only.

So there is a chance, if the team really wants to add talent and can't because a) no one will trade for Bargs and b) they are too close to the tax apron to use the full MLE, then they could conceivably do the following.

Amnesty Bargnani, and apply for the DPE for Kleiza. That takes their committed salary to 62.25M. That gives them 5.15M to spend via the full MLE, as they are not a tax team at this point, and still have the BAE (2.016M) and the DPE from Kleiza (2.3M) to spend to pick up, say, a MLE PF, and two solid vet backups at PG and on the wing.
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So there is a chance, if the team really wants to add talent and can't because a) no one will trade for Bargs and b) they are too close to the tax apron to use the full MLE, then they could conceivably do the following.

Amnesty Bargnani, and apply for the DPE for Kleiza. That takes their committed salary to 62.25M. That gives them 5.15M to spend via the full MLE, as they are not a tax team at this point, and still have the BAE (2.016M) and the DPE from Kleiza (2.3M) to spend to pick up, say, a MLE PF, and two solid vet backups at PG and on the wing.
Thank you for clarification. This could be another reason that leads to an amnesty of Bargs.
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There is - it removes an injured player who is forced to retire from the cap. But it is all kinds of terrible in terms of practicality. Could happen, but an NBA and NBPA doctor would have to determine that the injury is indeed "career-ending," and then there is a waiting period before it can be applied.

Another option is the disabled player exception - a team has to keep the player's salary on the roster, but is given an exception that acts like a MLE but only to sign 1-year deals (for Kleiza, it would be 2.3M) or like a TPE (effective trade value of 2.4M) to acquire expiring contracts only.

So there is a chance, if the team really wants to add talent and can't because a) no one will trade for Bargs and b) they are too close to the tax apron to use the full MLE, then they could conceivably do the following.

Amnesty Bargnani, and apply for the DPE for Kleiza. That takes their committed salary to 62.25M. That gives them 5.15M to spend via the full MLE, as they are not a tax team at this point, and still have the BAE (2.016M) and the DPE from Kleiza (2.3M) to spend to pick up, say, a MLE PF, and two solid vet backups at PG and on the wing.
BC and even Stefanski this morning have both said ownership is willing to go into the tax. How is that even possible with us so close to the cap? What are the rules when it comes to going over the tax threshold.
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BC and even Stefanski this morning have both said ownership is willing to go into the tax. How is that even possible with us so close to the cap? What are the rules when it comes to going over the tax threshold.
Fine they said that, but i still dont see us getting there through FA, if not overpaying our roleplayers.
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BC and even Stefanski this morning have both said ownership is willing to go into the tax. How is that even possible with us so close to the cap? What are the rules when it comes to going over the tax threshold.
You can go over the tax pretty easily - but not really far over it very quickly anymore.

If for example you use the full MLE, you are hard capped at 74M (or whatever tax + 4M is next year) for the year. If you use only the tax-payer MLE (3M), you can exceed that, but the main way to increase salary is in trades (up to 125% return salaries) since your free agency is limited to one 3M dollar contract and a bunch of minimum salaries. Or Bird Rights, of course.
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Fine they said that, but i still dont see us getting there through FA, if not overpaying our roleplayers.
I've also heard that the cap will go up to 70mil next season with the tax threshold going up to 80mil.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:29 AM   #12 (permalink)
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The 28-year-old Kleiza has been sidelined for the last couple of months and has appeared in only 20 games this season. According to Asta Zukaite of 15min.lt, this number is unlikely to change.

That's what she said



His career may be over in NBA, but not in Europe
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call me crazy, but was it even in doubt, that it was in doubt??? I have been posting for a while that he was finished....cuz he is. Thats why he hasnt been amnetied.
Heheh, exactly. That what I was going to say too.

When he isn't getting any PT for us, even early in the season when we were STARTING Dominic McGuire and picking up Pietrus off the waiver wire and giving him starter minutes, and Kleiza can't get any burn, you know there's a problem.

I didn't doubt his career was in jeopardy for a second, or at least his season. The guy is clearly not healthy.
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You can go over the tax pretty easily - but not really far over it very quickly anymore.

If for example you use the full MLE, you are hard capped at 74M (or whatever tax + 4M is next year) for the year. If you use only the tax-payer MLE (3M), you can exceed that, but the main way to increase salary is in trades (up to 125% return salaries) since your free agency is limited to one 3M dollar contract and a bunch of minimum salaries. Or Bird Rights, of course.
hm, I thought tax teams are not allowed to take more salary in, or was it that non tax teams can take 150% and tax teams can only take 125%?
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hm, I thought tax teams are not allowed to take more salary in, or was it that non tax teams can take 150% and tax teams can only take 125%?
That's right. 150% for non-tax teams.
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L.Kleizos sugrįžimo į aikštę tikimasi po savaitės
According to the Lithuanian basketball website http://www.krepsinis.net, Kleiza denied the rumors about his career ending. It's stated in the article, that he will be able to play in a weeks time.
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L.Kleizos sugrįžimo į aikštę tikimasi po savaitės
According to the Lithuanian basketball website Krep?inio naujienos, NBA, LKL, krep?inio ?empionatas | Krepsinis.net, Kleiza denied the rumors about his career ending. It's stated in the article, that he will be able to play in a weeks time.
I really doubt he will play.
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Saw the Lithuanian report about Kleiza maybe being done. I've been told he intends to play next year, likely in Europe after being amnestied
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With major doubts that any of these will pick up - here ya go Linus lovers

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I really liked the singing a couple years back. Sad that he has always been injured, he coulda been a really good player for us if he was healthy
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