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Old 09-10-2011, 12:19 PM   #21 (permalink)
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FWIW AK's best seasons were Utah's worst.
You are way off my friend. His best season in 2003-2004 he was All-star and Jazz finished with 41 wins. 2004-2005 - he missed ( Jazz went 11-30 without him ) 41 games due to MCL sprain and broken wrist - that was the worst season for Jazz as they had only 28 wins. And last season you would not call AK's best by any means but it was one of the worst for Jazz in last 20years.
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Old 09-10-2011, 12:47 PM   #22 (permalink)
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You are way off my friend. His best season in 2003-2004 he was All-star and Jazz finished with 41 wins. 2004-2005 - he missed ( Jazz went 11-30 without him ) 41 games due to MCL sprain and broken wrist - that was the worst season for Jazz as they had only 28 wins. And last season you would not call AK's best by any means but it was one of the worst for Jazz in last 20years.
In 2003-2004, the first year he was the go to guy, they missed the playoffs for the first time in 21 years.

In 2004-2005 they were 15-26 and still 11 games below .500 with him.

In 2005-2006 they missed the playoffs for the third straight season.

In 2006-2007 the worst season of his career, they returned to prominence, won 51 games and made it to the Western Conference Finals

The were 39-43 last year, which is pretty good seeing as they played much of the season with an injured PG who was eventually traded and lost Sloan.

A great guy once upon a time to have on your fantasy team though, I suppose.
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Old 09-10-2011, 01:44 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I'm not sure what all those numbers are supposed to mean?
After Malone and Stockton were gone, the best players around AK were like Carlos Arroyo and Greg Ostertag...

They missed the playoffs? Really? Better question - how the f did they win 41 games? And why the f wasn't Jerry Sloan coach of the year?
That's arguably worse supporting cast than what TMac had in Orlando.
Not that AK is this super duper star who's better than everyone... but saying that 03-04 was a fail somehow -- that's just very odd.

Then they add Boozer and some guys, and basically everyone is injured for the next 2 years. It wasn't just Kirilenko getting injuries, like 4 best players on that roster were falling apart all the time and then playing into form and falling apart again.
So they lose a ton of games. Big surprise. It's not a fail by AK, unless you blame him for the injuries.
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Old 09-10-2011, 02:00 PM   #24 (permalink)
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That's exactly what I was going to say. In 03/04 they missed the playoffs by one game but considering the roster they had it's a miracle they managed to win over 40 games. After losing Stockton and Malone they were supposed to start rebuilding that year but instead AK carried that team.
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Old 09-10-2011, 02:11 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I don't know, but a team with Raja Bell, Matt Harpring, a young DeShawn Stevenson, a young Mo Williams and a career year from Arroyo and Jerry Sloan coaching aint going to be that bad.
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Old 09-10-2011, 02:27 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I don't know, but a team with Raja Bell, Matt Harpring, a young DeShawn Stevenson, a young Mo Williams and a career year from Arroyo and Jerry Sloan coaching aint going to be that bad.
they were predicted by ESPN to beat NBA record for least wins - 9... and they got 41. In big part thanks to AK. Nobody is saying AK is superstar to build around in order to win Championship. Simple formula for winning is to have two superstars and one super role player. That what he is - super role player. And if he would come to Raptors for 5mil/year - Raptors would be much better team.
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Old 09-10-2011, 11:01 PM   #28 (permalink)
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FWIW AK's best seasons were Utah's worst.
Agreed!
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He's still a versatile defender. And how much can the Raps really improve internally in that respect, even with Casey taking over? If the contract is reasonable in salary and length (a big if, mind you), what does a young team that struggles to compete in the field that happens to be this guy's strength really have to lose? And if he bites, more, or a familiar amount of lottery balls!
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Yay, another 3 that can't shoot to save his life.
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Did I say once that I wanted to offer him that kind of money? No. All I said was that he made 18 million dollars last year from that massive contract he signed years ago, so he does't need to sign with a basement dweller for more money.

Read the posts, people.
I think he was talking to Toby post DK.
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Old 09-11-2011, 03:51 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Yeah, I was talking to Toby... hence why I responded directly to his post and made reference to the 18 million figure he quoted. I was going to point out the irony in your "read the posts, people" statement but decided to let it go cause I'm new around here and don't want to be an ass.

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Yay, another 3 that can't shoot to save his life.
Do we really need another guy that can shoot? our offence is fine... we need help in every other category.
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Do we really need another guy that can shoot? our offence is fine... we need help in every other category.
We have two guys on this team that hits 3's consistently. And one of them is too much of a pussy to even take them. Ahhh, yeah we need a 3pt shooter.
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I think we need to think about "what we need next to DeMar, Valanciunas and whatever top pick we get next year".
Not "what we need on this current team".
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I think we need to think about "what we need next to DeMar, Valanciunas and whatever top pick we get next year".
Not "what we need on this current team".
We need to continue to add talent, period. On the current team and the next.
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In that case we should bring back Kapono!
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In that case we should bring back Kapono!
Nah, he can't even hit 3's anymore. Besides, we need a SF beside Derozan that has range and plays D. But lets face it, how many wings do we have that can hit 3's consistently? Positions 1 through 3 for that matter, none hit 3's anywhere near consistent enough to be considered 3pt threats. You don't think that's a need?
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Old 09-11-2011, 04:47 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I think we should be looking at what kind of player compliments V the best, even before he arrives. That means everyone else is expendable in trades, and everyone that is available should be looked at in that light, not in terms of what they add to the current roster. For me Kirilenko, or a player like him, would be a nice fit. That would mean three long and mobile defenders in the frontcourt if we include Ed Davis in the mix, and two guys that have a good sense of how to play a team game in the halfcourt. I could envision a lot of points in the paint. And it wouldn't take much to add the right kind of shooters in the backcourt to that mix. I could envision Demar excelling under those circumstances. Less of a need to see shots fall would be a beautiful thing for me to see. Being able to create good shots on a regular basis would be pretty nice too.
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Old 09-11-2011, 04:50 PM   #40 (permalink)
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I do think we need a guy that can shoot but we also badly need help on D since we're one of the worst defensive teams in the league. if we could get a 3 that can spread the floor and give us the intangibles that a guy like AK provides then I'm all for that... I just don't think we can land a guy like that unless we get lucky through the draft.

My biggest concern is that people keep talking about how our future star SF is one year away as if we're somehow guaranteed a top 3 pick in the draft. While I'm all for building through the draft, it's important to remember that it's called the lottery for a reason. At the end of last season everyone was talking about Irving as if it was predetermined that the Raps would get the 1st pick.

The thing is that we have capspace and we're going to spend it one way or another. The question is... what do we need? In the coming season we definitely need a C but we don't need one long term since JV is right around the corner. That's why I think AK is a good choice because he can help in a lot of the same ways a defensive minded C could help (blocking shots, getting rebounds, and all the other stuff our front court is lacking thanks to Bargs)... except he plays the 3 which just so happens to be our weakest position.

If you think about it, we already tried a 3 that spreads the floor when we signed Turk and we all know how that ended up. The problem with shooters is that a lot of times they're inconsistent and we'd be taking a big gamble if we signed another one dimensional player that can shoot. I know that AK is a streaky shooter too but he's proven in the past that he can make big shots and regardless of how he's shooting at the very least you can count on him to do all the other things that he does.
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