Kelly: Raptors probably need to get rid of Amir
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If the Raptors can’t find the resources, maybe Tourism Toronto can pony up some cash. That was my greatest Heritage Minute since the kid in the ad tells her new French parents she has to keep her Irish name (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXyfPJKWqig).

It seems odd to say this right now, but this – right now – might fairly be called the highest point in the Raptors’ history. This is even supra-Vince. Also, we should mention Vince might be returning.

The team is in the ascendance. Their immediate future is close to being secured. There is accord up and down the organization. Patterson said that everyone on the team understands their place and puts the collective first.

Have you ever been on a team like that before?

“No,” Patterson, a teller of hard truths, said flatly.

The Toronto Raptors – the socialist’s favourite.

Game 7 hurt, but in the end it will have served a greater good.

Toronto lost by a single point to a deeper, more talented team. That’s a perfect ending from the perspective of the future. That sort of ending whets appetites – of both players and fans.

If they’d moved on to the second round against the Miami Heat, sure, it would’ve been buoyant around the country for a few days. Then the beating begins. That’s a five-game series, at best. More likely, it’s a four-game hiding. That’s eight days of eating glass. This would’ve ended in temporal ash.

It would also have created an expectation – that the Raptors are in the midst of their peak moment. Losing the way they did – manfully, but at the first hurdle – gives them space to breathe going forward. It’s an affirmation that this is still a work in progress (coach Dwane Casey’s favourite formulation).

What fans crave are incremental steps toward the end goal. They tire quickly of stasis. If you win, you must continue not only winning, but also winning to a higher and higher standard.

The illustrative example here is the Blue Jays. Since we’re talking about Toronto, every exploration of success is an archeological dig.

Over eight years – from 1985 to ’92 – the Jays steadily built their résumé. Every failure only increased the volume.

By the time they finally broke through, Canada was panting for a title. Their first World Series was an epochal emotional release. I spent the final minutes of the winning game on my front porch. It was too important a moment to actually watch.

A year later, we expected them to do it again. The repeat in ’93 was great, but less sweet. I was in front of the TV for that one. Within a year, they were shorn of their talent and already tipped toward a decade-long decline.

Winning is a drug. Once you’ve tried it, you need larger doses.

The Raptors are now perfectly placed to begin that slow, profitable climb into Canada’s imagination.

They will keep Lowry and Casey. They probably need to get rid of Amir Johnson, John Salmons and – sob – even Vasquez. There are small tweaks that can make this roster markedly better (and here’s where we begin day-dreaming of a player like Chicago’s Taj Gibson).

Slow and steady. Whatever they tell you, that’s what people really want.
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What a moron. Need to get rid if him? If he's central in a trade for a superstar, sure. Otherwise? I see no need.
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Need is a strong word.
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What a moron. Need to get rid if him? If he's central in a trade for a superstar, sure. Otherwise? I see no need.
It depends on whether or not they see keeping him beyond next season when his contract expires.

But his value right now is low.
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outside of the amir comment, he's bang on - those are exactly my thoughts. In the long run, it's better we lost to the nets the way we did, because I fully expect we'd have been destroyed by miami the next round. As it is, especially if the nets keep it close with miami or even win, our morale will be better next season :0

I especially like the winning is a drug comment - that's a very true statement. Regardless of what people say now, if we win only 42 games next season and make it in the 7th or 8th spot, I fully expect heavy disappointment here, more so than last season.

re: amir, he may have a point, the thing about amir, injuries and what not, he's extremely unpredictable. He had throughout his career a lot of alternating stretches where he goes from 2 weeks of 20/10 to 2 weeks of 5/4, he's just not very reliable that way. This series there was the whole injury thing, but you look at what he did in game 7, even while hurt, and you have to wonder where was he in the 2 or 3 games where he shat the bed.

The only problem with amir is that he is so hard to replace - we forget he only makes 7M. We want him to give us that 20/10 performance every game, but if he did that, he's be a 16M player ... For his salary, his production is off the charts.
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outside of the amir comment, he's bang on - those are exactly my thoughts. In the long run, it's better we lost to the nets the way we did, because I fully expect we'd have been destroyed by miami the next round. As it is, especially if the nets keep it close with miami or even win, our morale will be better next season :0

I especially like the winning is a drug comment - that's a very true statement. Regardless of what people say now, if we win only 42 games next season and make it in the 7th or 8th spot, I fully expect heavy disappointment here, more so than last season.

re: amir, he may have a point, the thing about amir, injuries and what not, he's extremely unpredictable. He had throughout his career a lot of alternating stretches where he goes from 2 weeks of 20/10 to 2 weeks of 5/4, he's just not very reliable that way. This series there was the whole injury thing, but you look at what he did in game 7, even while hurt, and you have to wonder where was he in the 2 or 3 games where he shat the bed.

The only problem with amir is that he is so hard to replace - we forget he only makes 7M. We want him to give us that 20/10 performance every game, but if he did that, he's be a 16M player ... For his salary, his production is off the charts.
The only thing that is off the charts with Amir is his defense. His production is inconsistent and at times mediocre. The biggest issue with him is his health which has been an issue the last 3yrs. His comment this season about his ankles being made of paper was bang on.
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His eFG%/FG%/TS% are fairly off the charts as well.
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Gutting out a 20/10 in game 7 was fantastic. There were still missed boxouts and he was constantly picking himself off the floor, but he left a mark. I really worry about the ankles. If he can get them fixed then he's gotta stay. If they are going to give out every game and he pretty much ends up playing as though he were on skates, then deals should be explored. But do other teams want those ankles?
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Gutting out a 20/10 in game 7 was fantastic. There were still missed boxouts and he was constantly picking himself off the floor, but he left a mark. I really worry about the ankles. If he can get them fixed then he's gotta stay. If they are going to give out every game and he pretty much ends up playing as though he were on skates, then deals should be explored. But do other teams want those ankles?
Not sure how you fix ankles, he's already had surgery.
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His eFG%/FG%/TS% are fairly off the charts as well.
Not so much when his ankles go. For a few months each season he is wonderful at finishing around the rim and hitting jumpers. The ankles change everything.

Anyway, why is this thread about Amir? Why does Greivis have to go? And why would we keep Tyler definitively?

He fell into the trap of playing gm like it's all we care about on the internet.
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Getting rid of amir is dumb. We need him here
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Getting rid of Greivis is dumber.

But why that headline? Was it the headline used in the piece?
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Old 05-05-2014, 11:48 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Amir needs to stop wearing retro Jordans for one!
They're not produced to be performance shoes, more so for fashion.
He can wear Jordans all he wants, but the new performance based ones please!!!

T.Ross switched out of Jordans for Game 7 and arguably had his best game of the series. He wore retro Jordans throughout 1-6.

Lowry wore Jordans here and there when his PEAK deal expired during midseason and had a few not so good games and switched back to PEAK for the playoffs.

It might be a bit of a coincidence - but the point remains - DO NOT WEAR RETRO JORDANS, especially for a guy that needs all the support and protection he can get
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Getting rid of Greivis is dumber.

But why that headline? Was it the headline used in the piece?
No I thought that was the more surprising part of the article. I was surprised someone actually said it tbh.
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Can't believe we re-upped a coach that allows his players to wear retro air jordans.
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What a moron. Need to get rid if him? If he's central in a trade for a superstar, sure. Otherwise? I see no need.
here here, amir is this team atm, getting rid of him would only make sense in a real sweet deal for us
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Can't believe we re-upped a coach that allows his players to wear retro air jordans.
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lol funny when demar was on that shoe show and demar said amir would steal his shoes b4 games

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ummm630ish is when he talks about amirs theivery
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Can't believe we re-upped a coach that allows his players to wear retro air jordans.
That was hilarious!
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I agree with LX - letting Vasquez walk could be just as damaging at this point and is just as stupid a thing to say. And keeping Hansbrough is almost as stupid - we have no need for him and he's a decently valuable trade asset with that contract.
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