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Old 12-09-2013, 09:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Who on this roster with egt us a top 15 pick? :mu:


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That conundrum paled in the face of Gay’s enormous salary ($18 million), and the nauseating prospect that he would hand himself a huge raise next year by taking his player’s option for $19.3 million.


An obsession of previous GM Bryan Colangelo, Gay never really fit with the Raptors. DeMar DeRozan overshadowed him most of this year, largely by doing things Gay refused to do — like thinking. A smarter, younger, harder-working version of Gay, DeRozan now has more room to flower on the wing.


While most of what the Kings are sending back is human gristle, Vasquez represents a sizable boost in quality. The fourth-year player out of Maryland is a nicely equipped offensive piece, and a low-cost one at that ($2.15 million). He will immediately press Kyle Lowry hard for the starting job at the point. (Shiny Happy Kyle Lowry, I’m glad we got to spend those two months together.)


The Raptors now have the option to trade Lowry and go forward with Vasquez, or use Vasquez as an attractive deadline chip. If they’re really committed to The Tank, they could deal both.


For weeks now, the Raptors have been quietly attempting to trade both Gay and Lowry for, well, anything. Since this has become one of the most lopsided buyers’ markets in league history, they weren’t getting any nibbles.


It’s a testament to Ujiri’s skill that he has now off-loaded the franchise’s two most notorious flaming tires (Gay and Andrea Bargnani) in less than six months. These moves give the team enormous cap flexibility going into 2014/15. As of right now, they have roughly $32 million on the books for next year, against a cap of about $60 million

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Now that he’s managed the headline grabbers, Ujiri’s job gets difficult.The team not only covets a top-five pick in the 2014 draft; management believes there is a path to acquiring another first-round pick in the top 15.That requires a multi-faceted approach to being awful.
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Old 12-09-2013, 10:01 AM   #2 (permalink)
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He'll likely target a team on the playoff bubble and gamble that they'll miss the postseason.
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Old 12-09-2013, 10:02 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 12-09-2013, 10:05 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I was thinking.
Shouldn't we just hold onto Demar, let him average 22 or something PPG.
And then if we would get, say, the 2nd or 3rd overall pick in the draft (with our luck...), trade Demar plus the pick for the 1st overall (Wiggins), is that realistic?

Or is there a serious dropoff in talent after Wiggins?
What I'm saying is maybe it's better to hold onto Demar for a little while.
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Demar?
IMO it's either DD, JV or a package of AJ/KL. Nothing else on this roster would even get us a late 1st. lol
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IMO it's either DD, JV or a package of AJ/KL. Nothing else on this roster would even get us a late 1st. lol
Your probably right. I don't really want Nash here, but if the Lakers want to clear more cap space, I would try to offer them this package:

Lowry, Patterson, and either Daye or Augustin and our acquired 2nd rounders from the NYK deal one in 2014 and the other in 2017 for Steve Nash and Lakers 1st rounder.

They probably won't take it but it is worth a try as they are trying to clear a ton of cap space for this upcoming free agency. We take back Nash just to eat the contract and with our luck he would retire after this season. Even though I have said before I don't mind giving up Amir or DD to acquire another 1st rounder, I'd rather see if we can keep both and acquire one instead.
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IMO it's either DD, JV or a package of AJ/KL. Nothing else on this roster would even get us a late 1st. lol
I agree that it's DD or KL and AJ together. I don't think MU deals JV at least in the season. GV for the time he's here will be feeding JV with the PnR.
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IMO it's either DD, JV or a package of AJ/KL. Nothing else on this roster would even get us a late 1st. lol
Won't be JV, I can see KL+whatever to make something happen.
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Your probably right. I don't really want Nash here, but if the Lakers want to clear more cap space, I would try to offer them this package:

Lowry, Patterson, and either Daye or Augustin and our acquired 2nd rounders from the NYK deal one in 2014 and the other in 2017 for Steve Nash and Lakers 1st rounder.

They probably won't take it but it is worth a try as they are trying to clear a ton of cap space for this upcoming free agency. We take back Nash just to eat the contract and with our luck he would retire after this season. Even though I have said before I don't mind giving up Amir or DD to acquire another 1st rounder, I'd rather see if we can kept both and acquire one instead.
I don't think the Lakers can deal their pick considering that they have a deal in place with PHX where their 1st round pick is dealt to PHX - top 5 protected in 2015. top 3 protected in 2016 or 2017 and then unprotected in 2018. I could be wrong though.
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Won't be JV, I can see KL+whatever to make something happen.
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If we're going to tank I think it'd be better for us now, and in the future, to deal kl plus amir together rather than demar. Demar would fetch more but I dont think enough to not warrant possibly having a demar+Wiggins or demar plus smart combo
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I don't think the Lakers can deal their pick considering that they have a deal in place with PHX where their 1st round pick is dealt to PHX - top 5 protected in 2015. top 3 protected in 2016 or 2017 and then unprotected in 2018. I could be wrong though.
You're right. Lakers cannot trade their 1st rounders until 2020.
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I was thinking.
Shouldn't we just hold onto Demar, let him average 22 or something PPG.
And then if we would get, say, the 2nd or 3rd overall pick in the draft (with our luck...), trade Demar plus the pick for the 1st overall (Wiggins), is that realistic?

Or is there a serious dropoff in talent after Wiggins?
What I'm saying is maybe it's better to hold onto Demar for a little while.
A lot of potential stars in the draft, and it is not a sure thing at all that Wiggins will be the best of them. Although I like him the most so far.
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A lot of potential stars in the draft, and it is not a sure thing at all that Wiggins will be the best of them. Although I like him the most so far.
Even if Wiggins isn't the best coming into the draft.. there is no way Raptors pass up on him if they are able to get him
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Demar and Lowry to PHX for Dragic, Goodwin, Lakers 1st Rd

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I was thinking.
Shouldn't we just hold onto Demar, let him average 22 or something PPG.
And then if we would get, say, the 2nd or 3rd overall pick in the draft (with our luck...), trade Demar plus the pick for the 1st overall (Wiggins), is that realistic?

Or is there a serious dropoff in talent after Wiggins?
What I'm saying is maybe it's better to hold onto Demar for a little while.
Nope. Would rather have DeMar and Parker than Wiggins alone.
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I'm just curious why trade Demar now? His value will be a lot higher in a couple of months...
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I'm just curious why trade Demar now? His value will be a lot higher in a couple of months...
Depends how this Gay trade impacts him. With the defense looking at him instead of Gay now, his value might be in for a bit of a dip.
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Well we shouldn't trade Derozan now for a mid first round pick, that's ridiculous. As if there are 15 Derozan's in the draft...
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Amir is the most likable guy on the team, most respected and everyone loves him. He's also incredibly valuable to the community, you guys hear of the things he does? If we trade him I'll be supremely pissed.
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