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Old 05-20-2011, 08:30 PM   #41 (permalink)
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good! i don't want him here either!

on another note tho.....even euros don't want to come now??? LOL
euros were like our last resort......do we get asian players now?
Kanter is from Turkey. Turkey is middle eastern.
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Valanciunas has a lot of potential, but I heard that there's a chance he will stay in Europe for several years.

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In terms of talent and potential, it's there with Valanciunas, but there are some major red flags when it comes to selecting him, with none bigger than his potentially prohibitive buy-out. There are rumors that his buy-out may keep him in Europe for a couple of YEARS, and the Raptors simply cannot afford that kind of wait. Consider that head coach Jay Triano has one year left on his deal while Colangelo has just two and it's unlikely that the club risks taking a guy that may never play under either one of them.
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Kanter is from Turkey. Turkey is middle eastern.
... Turkey is in Europe.
I don't get your point, why did you have to state it's middle eastern? It's not a continent...
Turkish people count as Euros...
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... Turkey is in Europe.
I don't get your point, why did you have to state it's middle eastern? It's not a continent...
Turkish people count as Euros...
Middle Eastern countries are technically part of Asia. Anyways Turkey is in Europe and Asia, but about 95% of the country is in Asia. So yeah Turkey is not European. So turkish people are not considered European...

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Valanciunas has a lot of potential, but I heard that there's a chance he will stay in Europe for several years.
Obviously, that's a problem. Prospects need to get to the NBA as soon as possible, so they have a chance to adjust while they're still young.

If Colangelo doesn't think he can get Valanciunas to the NBA before training camp 2012 at the very latest, I'd say he should pass on him.

We don't really know what Lietuvos Rytas will do, but my guess is they wouldn't want to hold him back from the NBA. Also, if Jonas decides he won't play for them until a transfer is negotiated I don't see what they can do about it. In this situation the player's wishes are very important.

The Rubio situation seemed to me to be more the case that Rubio didn't really want to play for Minnesota and preferred to stay in Europe. I don't think that is the case with Valanciunas and Toronto. Though, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for Colangelo and the draft team to find out.

Slightly off topic - Rubio made a huge mistake by staying in Europe. He may never reach his potential because of it.
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Turkey is considered as European country. Like Russia, most of the part of it is in Asia, but we still call it Euro country...
Course Turkey is middle east country, former Ottoman empire with Muslim culture. Nothing like Euro country, but hey, whats the difference?
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Middle Eastern countries are technically part of Asia. So yeah Turkey is not European. So turkish people are not considered European...
Fuck me lmao Of all things to disagree about....well here's the real answer, you're both right.

One could say, Turkey is either in Europe and Asia.
The most part of Turkey is Anatolia and Anatolia is Minor Asia. But there is a part of Turkey in the European side of the Bosphor. The problem arises when we ask this question: to which continent Turkish see themselves attached? Turkish Europeans seems attached to Europe and Anatolians to Asia - With all the political nuances that go with that. Istanbul is part in Europe and part in Asia. It's called the 'middle' for a reason. A better word to call him would be "Mediterranean".
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Obviously, that's a problem. Prospects need to get to the NBA as soon as possible, so they have a chance to adjust while they're still young.

If Colangelo doesn't think he can get Valanciunas to the NBA before training camp 2012 at the very latest, I'd say he should pass on him.

We don't really know what Lietuvos Rytas will do, but my guess is they wouldn't want to hold him back from the NBA. Also, if Jonas decides he won't play for them until a transfer is negotiated I don't see what they can do about it. In this situation the player's wishes are very important.

The Rubio situation seemed to me to be more the case that Rubio didn't really want to play for Minnesota and preferred to stay in Europe. I don't think that is the case with Valanciunas and Toronto. Though, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for Colangelo and the draft team to find out.

Slightly off topic - Rubio made a huge mistake by staying in Europe. He may never reach his potential because of it.
Jonas is still under contract no? If he is the Raps or whatever team that takes him, by rule they can only contribute a portion of the buy-out. The rest would have to be fronted by Jonas himself.
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Obviously, that's a problem. Prospects need to get to the NBA as soon as possible, so they have a chance to adjust while they're still young.

If Colangelo doesn't think he can get Valanciunas to the NBA before training camp 2012 at the very latest, I'd say he should pass on him.

We don't really know what Lietuvos Rytas will do, but my guess is they wouldn't want to hold him back from the NBA. Also, if Jonas decides he won't play for them until a transfer is negotiated I don't see what they can do about it. In this situation the player's wishes are very important.

The Rubio situation seemed to me to be more the case that Rubio didn't really want to play for Minnesota and preferred to stay in Europe. I don't think that is the case with Valanciunas and Toronto. Though, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for Colangelo and the draft team to find out.

Slightly off topic - Rubio made a huge mistake by staying in Europe. He may never reach his potential because of it.
Jonas wants to play in the NBA. Thats the difference comparing to Rubio. His buyout seems like a problem, but I heard agents worked on this, so it's possible to buyout him...
In the other hand, if Lockout happens, his contract will be a good thing, because he will actuall play.

I know most of the NBA fans hates Rubio, but it's stupid. He is not Vazquez, he is still young and he is coming. No secret he was staying in Europe after the draft, Kahn and the others knew it. And Rubio said himself he wants ACB title badly.
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Middle Eastern countries are technically part of Asia. Anyways Turkey is in Europe and Asia, but about 95% of the country is in Asia. So yeah Turkey is not European. So turkish people are not considered European...
Well I guess the asian part isn't
but what thee.. >.> they're like in the middle..:s
They aren't asians thoo.. :/
but yea... most of it is in asia, but it depends which side of Turkey came from.
He was from Istanbul. (Which is on the Euro side)... So in my mind, he's "Euro" more so then "Asian"
Plus he's been in the Euro league, born European (Switzerland).. So he's Euro. (I think :S)
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Fuck me lmao Of all things to disagree about....well here's the real answer, you're both right.

One could say, Turkey is either in Europe and Asia.
The most part of Turkey is Anatolia and Anatolia is Minor Asia. But there is a part of Turkey in the European side of the Bosphor. The problem arises when we ask this question: to which continent Turkish see themselves attached? Turkish Europeans seems attached to Europe and Anatolians to Asia - With all the political nuances that go with that. Istanbul is part in Europe and part in Asia. It's called the 'middle' for a reason. A better word to call him would be "Mediterranean".
But but... Istanbul is like on the far west side of Turkey :S LOL
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But but... Istanbul is like on the far west side of Turkey :S LOL
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Istanbul (Turkish: İstanbul), historically known as Byzantium and Constantinople[2] (see Names of Istanbul for further information) is the largest city in Turkey with a population of 13.1 million, which is 17.8% of Turkey's population.[3] Istanbul is also a megacity, as well as the cultural, economic, and financial centre of Turkey. The city covers 39 districts of the Istanbul province.[4] It is located on the Bosphorus Strait and encompasses the natural harbour known as the Golden Horn, in the northwest of the country. It extends both on the European (Thrace) and on the Asian (Anatolia) sides of the Bosphorus, and is thereby the only metropolis in the world that is situated on two continents. Istanbul is a designated alpha world city.
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I love wikipedia as back-up lmao:

Istanbul (Turkish: İstanbul), historically known as Byzantium and Constantinople[2] (see Names of Istanbul for further information) is the largest city in Turkey with a population of 13.1 million, which is 17.8% of Turkey's population.[3] Istanbul is also a megacity, as well as the cultural, economic, and financial centre of Turkey. The city covers 39 districts of the Istanbul province.[4] It is located on the Bosphorus Strait and encompasses the natural harbour known as the Golden Horn, in the northwest of the country. It extends both on the European (Thrace) and on the Asian (Anatolia) sides of the Bosphorus, and is thereby the only metropolis in the world that is situated on two continents. Istanbul is a designated alpha world city.
Oh :s ... wow. >.> never read into it, just assumed it was a euro city since it was on the west side lol, man Turkey is so.. >.> confusing. My bad :/
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no worries....i think it's one of those cities that depending on who you ask you're going to get a good argument since it straddles two continents.
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Washington has the 6th and 18th picks. If they want Kanter, I say we pick him and force them to trade us #6 and #18 in a package for kanter and filler. If not, we keep him.
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Man, you guys suck... What the fuck you did in the 5th grade?
Geographically, almost 95% of the Turkey is in Asia. But it is Euro country...
Istanbul is one of the greatest historical cities ever build. And it's situated on two continents. Duh...

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Washington has the 6th and 18th picks. If they want Kanter, I say we pick him and force them to trade us #6 and #18 in a package for kanter and filler. If not, we keep him.
Enes is one of the best players in draft, so i bet Washington wants him. But he is not their main need. Enes wants Washington, not Washington wants Enes.
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Man, you guys suck... What the fuck you did in the 5th grade?
Geographically, almost 95% of the Turkey is in Asia. But it is Euro country...
Istanbul is one of the greatest historical cities ever build. And it's situated on two continents. Duh...



Enes is one of the best players in draft, so i bet Washington wants him. But he is not their main need. Enes wants Washington, not Washington wants Enes.
Hey martynas i was just wondering, if the Raptors became good and the fan base stops saying euros suck will you end up becoming a Raptors fan?
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I think what kanter wants is irrelevant. While it's not a good omen character wise, it's also possible that he's concerned about our jam at the 4/5 position, so he's afraid he'll be buried on the bench. With the wizards, he'd be the 1st big off the bench and would get ton of minutes, plus he would play with a pass-first PG like wall. Who knows who came up with the market scenario, maybe it's just his agent blowing smoke (or just being a dick).

ultimately though, if we want him and he's available, we'll get him and there's nothing he can do about it (realistically speaking).
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