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Old 11-02-2012, 10:35 AM   #81 (permalink)
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With fields and JV, we're playing 3 on 5 offensively, and the starting lineup will suffer, especially in crunch time when defenses tighten.
Not sure how having Amir or Gray in the game instead of Jonas will change that TBH.

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that's why you don't take a gm's word for it, and why i suggested torap should have consulted a scouting report before developing his list.
To be clear, it's not that I expected Bargs to be something that he wasn't (although I DID hope that he'd be a better rebounder than he's shown)... It's that I wanted a player with Jonas' skills to pair with Bosh... or I wanted a wing player. That's it.

I'm still annoyed though that players like Love and Ryan can shoot 3s, grab boards AND play with energy and Bargs can only seem to do 1 of the 3 at any 1 point in time.
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:52 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Denver- Bargnani

Grizzlies- Chandler, Calderon, picks

Toronto- Gay, A. Randolph


Lowry/Lucas
Derozan/Ross/AA
Gay/Kleiza/Fields
Amir/Davis/Randolph/Acy
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How many lottery picks is Memphis getting and where do they come from in this deal? Otherwise, they get hosed. Denver gets rich, Toronto cuts Randolph! and gives up too much.
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:54 AM   #83 (permalink)
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How many lottery picks is Memphis getting and where do they come from in this deal? Otherwise, they get hosed. Denver gets rich, Toronto cuts Randolph! and gives up too much.
Bargnani and Calderon is too much for Gay? lol
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well, what did you mean by "picks" jeff?

i'm guessing from denver as we can't offer picks right now. Unless you mean a 2nd rounder?

i really want gay but i wouldn't give up any more than 2 players. Jose could get us something decent if we trade him on his own.
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i really want gay but i wouldn't give up any more than 2 players. Jose could get us something decent if we trade him on his own.
If so, he'd be gone by now.


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well, what did you mean by "picks" jeff?

Maybe a protected 1st from Denver, 2nd from us. Who knows, just threw it out there. lol
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not necessarily jeff. The offer may not be there now, but it could come later when a team decides they need him. Or an ok offer is there now but we're waiting to see if we can get a better one.

either way, Bargs + jose/DD/ross is the most i'm willing to give up. Tbh i'd be disappointed to give up Bargs + DD.
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not necessarily jeff. The offer may not be there now, but it could come later when a team decides they need him. Or an ok offer is there now but we're waiting to see if we can get a better one.

either way, Bargs + jose/DD/ross is the most i'm willing to give up. Tbh i'd be disappointed to give up Bargs + DD.
Don't worry, no team is interested in those two, especially now.
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Don't worry, no team is interested in those two, especially now.
Why now?
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Why now?
$40 million.
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Bargnani and Calderon is too much for Gay? lol
Yes. You're taking on salary and not getting anything for Jose. Also, you added picks.... throw in Acy and I won't complain.
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Tbh i'd be disappointed to give up Bargs + DD.
How so, you don't even know what we'd get. Besides, Colangelo isn't giving them up for nothing, which means he'll ask for far too much therefor they aren't going anywhere.
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Don't worry, no team is interested in those two, especially now.
Disagree.... dude, DD will have value on that contract by year's end.... not so much right now, but each year that contract will look much better. Landry's won't ever look good.... until 2 years and 10 months from now.
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$40 million.
Yeah, nobody would dare touch a SG making 9.5mil. lol


It kills me that anyone would ever say any player can't be traded.
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Yes. You're taking on salary and not getting anything for Jose. Also, you added picks.... throw in Acy and I won't complain.
Wow. You're also getting a pretty decent player (understatement) addressing the glaring hole on this roster. If they're second round picks, it's not like the raps are going to turn them into anything good anyway.
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Yeah, nobody would dare touch a SG making 9.5mil. lol
He's here to stay for better or for worse now. 9.5 million/year is a lot more than a player who's still on their rookie contract.
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Wow. You're also getting a pretty decent player (understatement) addressing the glaring hole on this roster. If they're second round picks, it's not like the raps are going to turn them into anything good anyway.
yeah, second rounders aren't our specialty..... but losing two good players as well in this deal.... it's not a slam dunk.
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yeah, second rounders aren't our specialty..... but losing two good players as well in this deal.... it's not a slam dunk.
Two good players for one very good player....no brainer, Calderon is a backup and Bargs is a 7ft PF that can't rebound. Both of them have holes in their games (swiss cheese), which is why you'd have to get a 3rd team involved because no way in hell would those two alone net us Rudy Gay.
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yeah, second rounders aren't our specialty..... but losing two good players as well in this deal.... it's not a slam dunk.
Jose's contract is really overvalued. Expirings aren't that value anymore. The only use they have is if you're dealing with a penny-pinching/idiotic owner RE: Sarver. Bargs for Gay. Jose is just there to make up the #s. We all want the raps to get the better of the deal but you have to look at it from the other team's pov as well.
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Two good players for one very good player....no brainer, Calderon is a backup and Bargs is a 7ft PF that can't rebound. Both of them have holes in their games (swiss cheese), which is why you'd have to get a 3rd team involved because no way in hell would those two alone net us Rudy Gay.
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Two good players for one very good player....no brainer, Calderon is a backup and Bargs is a 7ft PF that can't rebound. Both of them have holes in their games (swiss cheese), which is why you'd have to get a 3rd team involved because no way in hell would those two alone net us Rudy Gay.
meh. You're selling low. Gay is good, but he's got holes too.
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