Just got a call from Tank Nation re: Bargnani
Old 12-23-2010, 04:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just got off the phone with Raptors Tank Nation headquarters.

They are advocating that since this team is not going to the playoffs, and even if they did would swiftly get their jocks handed to them, that Bargnani should sit out.

Not just a day or 2 and then rush back. Let the legs heal up with a nice, long Chris Bosh broken face layoff before he ends up wearing Chris Bosh's knee brace when there is no need for it.

We know who he is and what he can do, so adhereing with Tank nation's policy, there is a call to play all other able bodied bigs for the sake of experience, exposure and clarity.

Before I could speak, the P.R. director of Tank Nation said. "Kiss my ass if you want to win 3 more games this year!", and hung up.

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Old 12-23-2010, 04:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Very helpful post.
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Old 12-23-2010, 04:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I thought it was a great post, I agree.
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Old 12-23-2010, 04:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
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maybe he is in full tank mode, maybe he's not even injured and he's just taking games off so we can tank without looking like we are, and then he makes a return every other game so he doesn't look "like a bosh" taking too long to recover
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Old 12-23-2010, 04:43 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I'm not entirely confident that legs which have shown the ability to withstand a full game's rigors maybe 2 or 3 times in any season is going to benefit from sitting out to any great extent. I want to see more of Davis, but I don't want to see Davis stranded out there with few other bigs of note, and only learning how to get hammered over and over. Cut Andrea's minutes. Cut Jose's minutes. And try to develop some sense of what a game of basketball is supposed to be like, while losing all the same. Because without at least getting halfway to cohesive play this season, they'll just be that much farther behind when it comes to assessing what needs to be changed for next year, and taking a step forward when we are going to be dying for them to do so. That's assuming we're not looking for two or three years of tanking.
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Old 12-23-2010, 06:39 PM   #6 (permalink)
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If these were playoff games, or even the second half and they were fighting for home court or something, great. But if he has tendonitis, he must rest it anyway. Why hobble around out there and cause some other injury anyway? He's getting a taste of what carrying a team (to an extent) is. Good for him, it's a heavy load.

And everyone knows players care about their stats, so if he goes out there and plays 16 minutes a game, when the "this kid really sucks" chatter starts in the U.S. they're not going to say a thing about him playing injured and playing fewer minutes. They'll just say he sux!

Definitely not 2 or 3 tank years, please. It will look like an Atlanta Hawks game in the stands. Empty! We're already in the tank. Build it right and learn from Stoudemire, McGrady, Carter and Bosh and maybe we won't have to fall this far again for years.

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Old 12-23-2010, 07:00 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Let DeRozan, Weems, Johnson, Bayless, Davis and Alabi play the whole game!!!! LOL

Let them get all the experience in the world.
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Old 12-23-2010, 07:20 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I don't understand why we wont sit Bargs,

this is just stupid, rest his knee up, get it healthy, whats the point of risking it, I would advocate this if we were 1st in the East,

more teams should protect there players health
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Old 12-23-2010, 07:48 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I don't understand why we wont sit Bargs,

this is just stupid, rest his knee up, get it healthy, whats the point of risking it, I would advocate this if we were 1st in the East, more teams should protect there players health
even if we were first or in a playoff spot i would still rest him because its most important to have ur key players 100% down the stretch of the season and going into the playoffs u dont want ur key piece banged up heading into the playoffs...
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:45 PM   #10 (permalink)
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We just gotta outmatch the Clips and Sacramento queens
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:57 PM   #11 (permalink)
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even if we were first or in a playoff spot i would still rest him because its most important to have ur key players 100% down the stretch of the season and going into the playoffs u dont want ur key piece banged up heading into the playoffs...
Agreed ! The only time I'd want my player play in when they're not 100% if we were trying to get in the playoffs near then end of the season...

Sit Bargs down, Give Alabi(wtf was the reason for bringing him out of summer league if we don't play him), dorsey and davis mins
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So, Bargnani doesn't play at 90 percent? This is crazy talk. Nobody is at 100 percent. And guys like Davis and Derozan need to learn to play with a team or they might as well play in the D League.
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Old 12-23-2010, 11:09 PM   #13 (permalink)
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So, Bargnani doesn't play at 90 percent? This is crazy talk. Nobody is at 100 percent. And guys like Davis and Derozan need to learn to play with a team or they might as well play in the D League.
If you play a game, miss one, play another, miss one, then play and can't finish, are you really at 90% or just playing because you think we could use a win?
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Old 12-23-2010, 11:47 PM   #14 (permalink)
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If you play a game, miss one, play another, miss one, then play and can't finish, are you really at 90% or just playing because you think we could use a win?

This team needs to learn to play some defense, and find some degree of cohesive play in the halfcourt offense. Either they are going to commit to Bargnani going forward, or they are not. It's not about getting a few extra wins, it's about developing as a team. Please don't tell me that Andrea is going to get sat down when there is the slightest chance of soreness, but that he is still going to be the guy they build around based on a few good games. We need to see a team core of players that can make it through a season and into the playoffs. It is pretty important to assess what players can do to that extent. Look no further than Jose Calderon to recognize the importance of seeing problems beforehand. This league has a tough schedule. And it is one we haven't seen Bargnani deal well with in a lesser role than he has now. I'd say it's do or die time, and if this is truly a rebuild, than that would be a good place to look at getting better for the long haul of an NBA schedule, unless he shows that he can play at something less than 100 percent.

If they just sit Andrea now, then chances are they will be asking him to play through something worse next season, and he'll have no basis for which to respond well to such a scenario. we'll have a team with guys who can score 41, once every few years, and still no sense of how to get team success on a consistent basis.

If these guys find some way to start approaching anything close to 30 wins through some development in areas that are desperately needed, then they can look at adjusting minutes or sitting guys, or trading guys (for more picks perhaps, so we don't have to put all our eggs in one basket), and wrap up the season grinding out losses while having a sense of where they can go, and without being left completely shellshocked after the bulk of a season being utterly dominated. That would just be a recipe for any good young talent here wanting to find their way out. Just how many losses like the one last night do you think Jerryd is going to see before that smile we first saw never returns under any circumstance? How much does Ed Davis need to be smacked down hard night after night with no support, and still be eager to start back up next year? This team still needs to see a way forward, because there will be a season after this, and adding more talent to a weary, dysfunctional crew is only going to go so far.
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Old 12-24-2010, 07:22 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I agree with what you are saying about learning to play together as a unit. You can get better that way. But if that means playing with injuries for no particular goal, I'm not feeling it. This team does not have enough that one of the few true upside guys should risk having chronic problems.

He's had 5 years of playing time, he'll get plenty more with the unit, but do it healthy unless you have no choice. He hasn't missed that many games in his career so he has to have played through some pain. I don't know how bad it is, but something's wrong if he keeps coming back out. If this team is going to contend, he is in for a huge amount of pain over the next 10 years. I've never seen an athlete sit out of a playoff game if he could play. If the games meant something more they would have put an asprin on it and sent him back out.

A couple years ago I would have been one of the first to call him soft. Now I'm looking at guys like Bradon Roy, Greg Oden, Yao Ming, who had much better teams and saying.....are you sure you can afford to risk that now? You can tell he's "off" out there. If he rested it over the break and a couple of games after and then came back strong and on balance, is that so bad?

He needs to get a seven foot tall $2000 Italian suit and sit down.

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I was taking the break into consideration. But sure - sit another week after that if necessary. To me it just sounded like he should pull a Peja. There's no indication that he has any kind of injury that could chronically disable him. It takes very little for him to look off, and he has to be able to to get past that. And that doesn't mean playing every game no matter what, it just means that he should not be shutting it down long term right now. If he is cleared to play, that should mean there is no risk. We're just speculating on the nature of the injury, but I have no problem with some rest if that is considered to be the best approach for treating what ails the big guy, so that he can make it through the bulk of the season. But if we're talking about resting for the bulk of the season, then alarm bells have to go off one way or another, and it would raise a lot of questions for this team regardless of what they can get with a pick.

If ANdrea played the other night, because management wants fans to think they stand a chance at the playoffs for as long as possible, so they can sell a few more tickets, then alarm bells need to go off in that case as well.

The only things that should be considered are those things that are required for the team to go into next season with a sense of who they are. Marketing needs to take a back seat, and obvious means of tanking need to wait for the halfway mark of the season at least.
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Yah sit the Best player on the team so he can get fat and lazy and a sense of entitlement.
I say keep em in and let them feel what its like to be a loser. Gain a hatred towards it and fight to stay alive in this league.
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I dont' want to risk a long term, more serious injury but if he can play, play him. He needs to get as much experience being the man he can...we need to know if this is going to work.
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Old 12-27-2010, 07:47 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Just got off the phone with Tank Nation headquarters again. The V.P. of Tanking Development said, "Told you, bitch"!

Before I could speak, he put Ronald Dupree on the phone. This time, I hung up.

Let the games begin.
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Old 12-27-2010, 07:58 AM   #20 (permalink)
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The Raps still would lose with Bargnani in the line-up. You think you play Bargnani and we would be fighting for the playoffs. Get real, this team is a top 5 lottery team. People make fun of the Clippers, they are slowly getting it together with two game changers in Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon. Can the Raps say the same thing.
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