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Old 01-07-2011, 08:57 AM   #81 (permalink)
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Weems is nothing to brag about on D, he has a horrid jumpshot, the only reason he even gets points is because he takes so many damn shots. Hes absolutely not worth starting, and hell in my eyes, hes not even worth playing.

In my opinion, he can't do anything but put up too many shots and keep the ball away from the real scoring options on the team. Considering your saying he has court vision he sure as hell never uses it.
he's not THAT bad. realistically he's probably our fourth best wing player behind derozan, barbosa, and kleiza (in no particular order). he's a good utility guy to have. how picky can you be about your fourth best wing player?

he finishes on the break, rebounds at an okay clip, defends (better than you gave him credit for), and is a decently effective scorer when he isn't forcing his offense. energy guy
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:47 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:50 AM   #83 (permalink)
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he's not THAT bad. realistically he's probably our fourth best wing player behind derozan, barbosa, and kleiza (in no particular order). he's a good utility guy to have. how picky can you be about your fourth best wing player?

he finishes on the break, rebounds at an okay clip, defends (better than you gave him credit for), and is a decently effective scorer when he isn't forcing his offense. energy guy
I'd agree, but if he chooses not to defend as much as he chooses to focus on O, then he's a liability.... and I'd suggest this year has been a major step back for him. In my opinion, he shouldn't be getting very much time with DeRozan, Kleiza, Wright and Barbosa all ahead of him. Maybe another team with less wing depth values his cost efficiency more and he can be a great sweetener.
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I'd agree, but if he chooses not to defend as much as he chooses to focus on O, then he's a liability.... and I'd suggest this year has been a major step back for him. In my opinion, he shouldn't be getting very much time with DeRozan, Kleiza, Wright and Barbosa all ahead of him. Maybe another team with less wing depth values his cost efficiency more and he can be a great sweetener.
Even if Sonny has taken a step back, DeMar has taken two steps forward which has made Sonny's regression sort of irrelevant as far as the betterment of the team is concerned.

I wouldn't hesitate to include him in a deal. Exactly the type of guy you use to throw in as sweetener.
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Even if Sonny has taken a step back, DeMar has taken two steps forward which has made Sonny's regression sort of irrelevant as far as the betterment of the team is concerned.

I wouldn't hesitate to include him in a deal. Exactly the type of guy you use to throw in as sweetener.
Exactly my point. If we didn't have DD, I wouldn't necessarily be for trading Weems.... but he's cheap, expiring, and probably looking for a raise. Let's move him as a sweetener.
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:35 AM   #86 (permalink)
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Weems is nothing to brag about on D, he has a horrid jumpshot, the only reason he even gets points is because he takes so many damn shots. Hes absolutely not worth starting, and hell in my eyes, hes not even worth playing.

In my opinion, he can't do anything but put up too many shots and keep the ball away from the real scoring options on the team. Considering your saying he has court vision he sure as hell never uses it.
Really? Where were you with this assessment during the first few weeks of the season (and most of last season)? His jumpshot sure looked OK when he was shooting over 50% from the field.

There's a whole lot of revisionist history going on here right now.

There's no doubt that Weems was forcing his game a bit too much before he got injured.... he fell into the same trap the TJ and Mike James fell into before him.... trying to be that "2nd option scorer".... sometimes to the detriment of the team.

That being said, he's still a decent player IMO.

As for Kleiza... his game is pretty similar to Bargs. With a tad more power in it. Neither is strong defensively, both turn it over when they try to dribble too much and both fail to contribute to the team when their jumpers aren't falling.
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Really? Where were you with this assessment during the first few weeks of the season (and most of last season)? His jumpshot sure looked OK when he was shooting over 50% from the field.

There's a whole lot of revisionist history going on here right now.

There's no doubt that Weems was forcing his game a bit too much before he got injured.... he fell into the same trap the TJ and Mike James fell into before him.... trying to be that "2nd option scorer".... sometimes to the detriment of the team.

That being said, he's still a decent player IMO.

As for Kleiza... his game is pretty similar to Bargs. With a tad more power in it. Neither is strong defensively, both turn it over when they try to dribble too much and both fail to contribute to the team when their jumpers aren't falling.
Revisionist history? Fuck, that goes on all the time around here. Take a look around, it's nothing new. Lol
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:52 AM   #88 (permalink)
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If Sonny can come back and stick to defense and sticking midrange J's, he's our best SF option. If not, let's try Wright. The only advantage Kleiza has is 3pt shooting, but that's not enough for all the bad he brings to the lineup.

With Sonny out for tonight, we should be trying Wright at SF.
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For me Sonny is a lot like Jose. He has a small sample stretch of really good games and we label him the next saviour. He's a bench player that has stepped up a handful of times but really that's it. He's got all the flaws of a young prospect, inconsistancy, incomplete game, tendency to forget he has team-mates... will he become something more bankable? Only time will tell.
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Sonny was asked to come back with more of a handle and extended range on his shot. He did. Unfortunately they were too inconsistent for our likes.

But now the way things have worked out, we have our 2nd scoring option in DeMar. Sonny can go back to a simpler game and he should be all right.

He might still want to "get his" to get his next contract. If he does, too bad.

(Ironically, it's because Kleiza already got his contract that he feels he's REQUIRED to be a top scoring option).
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Really? Where were you with this assessment during the first few weeks of the season (and most of last season)? His jumpshot sure looked OK when he was shooting over 50% from the field.

There's a whole lot of revisionist history going on here right now.

There's no doubt that Weems was forcing his game a bit too much before he got injured.... he fell into the same trap the TJ and Mike James fell into before him.... trying to be that "2nd option scorer".... sometimes to the detriment of the team.

That being said, he's still a decent player IMO.

As for Kleiza... his game is pretty similar to Bargs. With a tad more power in it. Neither is strong defensively, both turn it over when they try to dribble too much and both fail to contribute to the team when their jumpers aren't falling.
I don't think Sunny's D has been as good as last year at any point this year. Nothing about that is revisionist. It's an opinion. I think he's overvalued here, and much of that stems from buying in to spin control surrounding the young ones brand. Just an opinion. Can weems be a decent bench guy, sure. I just don't think his ceiling is as high as so many do.

Jamario Moon was once thought to be an amazing defender here too.... he certainly didn't stick with it. Why is it so wrong to see a problem that is resurfacing in yet another wing player?
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Old 01-07-2011, 12:03 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Sonny was asked to come back with more of a handle and extended range on his shot. He did. Unfortunately they were too inconsistent for our likes.

But now the way things have worked out, we have our 2nd scoring option in DeMar. Sonny can go back to a simpler game and he should be all right.

He might still want to "get his" to get his next contract. If he does, too bad.

(Ironically, it's because Kleiza already got his contract that he feels he's REQUIRED to be a top scoring option).
Management paid Kleiza what they thought he was worth... and I'm sure there was talk about what was expected of him. Sunny seems to have forgotten what got him a spot on this team, looking too far ahead instead of continuing to bring what earned his spot.
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I'm not sure I blame Sonny for looking further ahead. If he went into the offseason as a #2 scorer, he'd get paid more than if he was just a role player like last year. But hopefully he's moved on from those grand ideas because if he keeps sucking, he'd made less than if he was just a solid role player.

As for Kleiza, I'm sure when he was signed he was told he'd be a starter. And if management wasn't even sure how Bargs would do as a #1 option, I could see them telling Kleiza he might be the #1 option. But with how the season has played out, Kleiza ought to settle down and look to be a role player, too. Spot up 3pt shooter who occasionally posts up.
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"Julian works hard and he makes good plays. The thing I like even at the offensive end is he has been responsible for swinging the basketball and getting it to the second side. He does that real well. He has a good knowledge of the game and he is probably our third-string point guard right now with Jose being out."

More than his offensive game, Wright has been earning that "next guy" spot in the rotation by doing the defensive work that some people believed should have gained him regular minutes at the start of the season. In Toronto however, having a defensive specialist in the rotation has not been something the Raptors have typically used.

"No, it is rare for us to have a guy like that," said Triano with a sheepish grin. "A lot of teams have guys who are defensive specialists or hustle guys and you hide them offensively sometimes."

Wright knows that it is his defense and hustle that will keep him in the rotation.

"Good things happen when he is on the floor," said Triano. "He gives you a solid effort. That kind of stuff is contagious too. You get one guy working out there like that and it makes everyone else take their game to another level."

Those comments Wright wants to hear.

"(Defense) That's always been my case," said Wright. "We haven't had a problem scoring the ball this year for the most part. We have a problem going through stretches and not getting stops and making it tough for them to score. That is something that I have seen from the bench and when I get an opportunity I want to show that (I can do it).

"Everyone is trying to find out their role and things are being established every game. We are under the microscope from the coaching staff. We have guys who can score, two or three times in a row, but who can go out there and get stops two or three times in a row? So that's something that I can try to hold onto to get minutes."
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"Julian was doing all the little things for us," said Jose Calderon.

"I like to play with Julian," said Leandro Barbosa. "He is very smart."

By smart, Barbosa really means that Wright has been in the league long enough to have learned something and tries to help his teammates by communicating it.

"(I) just try to talk more defensively," said Wright. "That's the next step for us. When we talk, we hold ourselves accountable."
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nice - thanks carp - that's should be all that is needed to settle things. Kleiza is not that guy who can get stops on two or three consecutive possessions.
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nice - thanks carp - that's should be all that is needed to settle things. Kleiza is not that guy who can get stops on two or three consecutive possessions.
I agree man... neither is Weems..... so clearly our biggest need as a team is SF.
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Wright is a good bench player 4 this team I say let's resign him for a minimum contract straight up.
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Old 01-25-2011, 07:25 AM   #98 (permalink)
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he'll be a RFA this summer, I recon his value is a bit higher than minimum.
But knowing BC he will offer an extension overpaying his market value by 20-30%
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Old 01-25-2011, 08:20 AM   #99 (permalink)
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He needs to develop some sort of a jumpshot, but he's also so long and kind of crafty with the ball, it would be cool if despite his lack of size he learned to play in the post a la Jalen.
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Old 01-25-2011, 09:13 AM   #100 (permalink)
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This is one player i want to stay here next season. As we hopefully improve the starting lineup i'd love to have him off the bench playing consistent minutes.
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