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Old 07-15-2012, 01:40 AM   #161 (permalink)
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What r u guys talking about....we always freaking trade for players that r not wanted by their team ...just like freaking Lowry.... Jose is better not really sure whats up we BC ...we r setting up to tank again and we dont even get the pick.
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Old 07-15-2012, 02:50 AM   #162 (permalink)
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We were talking as back up pgs & yes we were wanting jose traded...whats with the "Yuck"?
Why would we downgrade to the likes of Aaron Brooks who sucks and is just another chucker who lost his starting job to Lowry in Houston?

Or an overrated player who thrived off D'antoni's system and sucked with the Blazers in Felton?

YUCK!
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Old 07-15-2012, 02:56 AM   #163 (permalink)
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guys, obviously Jose is the only answer
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:26 AM   #164 (permalink)
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I thought the answer was probably Bayless because we would be likely talking about a limit of 12 min a game since he wouldn't be needed to play the 2.

But pitbulls like Lowry may miss some games, then you have Bayless leading this team and a good chance our shot at the lofty goal of 8th place evaporating.

So I'd say the ideal would be a smart vet guard, preferably a big PG who can run a team when needed and then some borderline PG like Uzoh as 3rd string. Both Uzoh and Lowry can benefit from what a vet guard has to offer.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:31 AM   #165 (permalink)
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What r u guys talking about....we always freaking trade for players that r not wanted by their team ...just like freaking Lowry.... Jose is better not really sure whats up we BC ...we r setting up to tank again and we dont even get the pick.
And Jose is no longer wanted here. Get over it. We've been trying to trade his ass for 2yrs now. And Lowry would still be in Houston if HE didn't ask to be traded.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:55 AM   #166 (permalink)
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And Jose is no longer wanted here. Get over it. We've been trying to trade his ass for 2yrs now. And Lowry would still be in Houston if HE didn't ask to be traded.
Umm... not wanted here by whom, exactly? Blowhards of raptorsforum.com?

'Cause it appears to me that both the head coach and the GM of the team are pretty happy with Jose on the roster. Whether or not he'd like to assume a bench role at this point in his career is a totally different matter.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:58 AM   #167 (permalink)
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Umm... not wanted here by whom, exactly? Blowhards of raptorsforum.com?

'Cause it appears to me that both the head coach and the GM of the team are pretty happy with Jose on the roster. Whether or not he'd like to assume a bench role at this point in his career is a totally different matter.
The organization. And calling people who want him trade blowhards is a little much since it's an opinion. BC has tried to trade him in the past and is doing so now, and it was even rumored before Jose said anything. What do you expect them to say though?
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Old 07-15-2012, 12:07 PM   #168 (permalink)
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The organization. And calling people who want him trade blowhards is a little much since it's an opinion. BC has tried to trade him in the past and is doing so now, and it was even rumored before Jose said anything. What do you expect them to say though?
Once again, Jeff, show me a shred of proof that Jose is not wanted by the organization. Players get traded all the time, for different reasons, and not all of these reasons have something to do with not being wanted.

On the other hand, you may want to ask yourself: why has no other team attempted to trade for Kyle Lowry? Not a single trade rumour has swirled around his name since his falling out with McHale, unless I am missing something. Did we even have a competition in this trade? And if not - I'd wait and see before celebrating the arrival of our next messiah PG and for that reason alone I'd hold on to Jose a while longer if I am a GM of this team.
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Why would we downgrade to the likes of Aaron Brooks who sucks and is just another chucker who lost his starting job to Lowry in Houston?

Or an overrated player who thrived off D'antoni's system and sucked with the Blazers in Felton?

YUCK!
Kirby.
-Never once was it mentioned that we trade Jose for Brooks or Felton.
-Felton is no longer available. (NY traded for him)
-It was stated that if we trade Jose for any player/s, if we dont get a backup point guard back then it would be a good move to sign a player like Brooks.
-Your point about Brooks loosing his job to Lowry is a good one, I'm not sure he would like to be Lowry's back up again, but who knows I'm sure he would like to get paid.
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:24 PM   #170 (permalink)
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If Joses not happy being a backup, he's not going to like the next team hes likely to go to as 90+% of starters at the position are better than him or teams have PGs that theyre developing where he wouldnt start anyway.

The only teams I could see him being a starter next season are:

CHA(wouldn't happen though since they have Walker/Sessions)
CHI(start until Rose came back, but unlikely since they just got Hinrich)
DAL(likely possibility, though him and Collison would battle for the starting spot)
MIN(until Rubio comes back, but wont happen since they're committed to Barea for 3 years)
NOH(unlikely since they're giving Rivers the PG duties and already have Vasquez as a backup)
ORL(just committed to Nelson)
POR(would be a nice fit here until Lillard is ready)
SAC(would be a decent fit but I think Thomas already has more of an impact than Jose)
UTA (Him and Williams would battle for starting spot)

So as you can see, if he's unhappy being a backup, the grass isnt always greener on the other side.
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:57 PM   #171 (permalink)
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I would prefer that Jose, instead of expressing unhappiness about the trade, had said- "Whoa, hold on, I'm the point guard here and if Kyle Lowry wants my job, he'll have to take it from me and I don't intend to give it up"

But, then again, that's not Jose and that's why he should go.
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Old 07-15-2012, 02:01 PM   #172 (permalink)
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Kirby.
-Never once was it mentioned that we trade Jose for Brooks or Felton.
-Felton is no longer available. (NY traded for him)
-It was stated that if we trade Jose for any player/s, if we dont get a backup point guard back then it would be a good move to sign a player like Brooks.
-Your point about Brooks loosing his job to Lowry is a good one, I'm not sure he would like to be Lowry's back up again, but who knows I'm sure he would like to get paid.
Halphbreedballer.
-It is still a downgrade.
-Okay, cool. Thank god to no Felton.
-No, Brooks would be a horrible move.
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Once again, Jeff, show me a shred of proof that Jose is not wanted by the organization. Players get traded all the time, for different reasons, and not all of these reasons have something to do with not being wanted.

On the other hand, you may want to ask yourself: why has no other team attempted to trade for Kyle Lowry? Not a single trade rumour has swirled around his name since his falling out with McHale, unless I am missing something. Did we even have a competition in this trade? And if not - I'd wait and see before celebrating the arrival of our next messiah PG and for that reason alone I'd hold on to Jose a while longer if I am a GM of this team.
Jose has never been the answer and he's no messiah. I said it before and I will say it again, Lowry isn't a saviour. Never claimed he was. I just think he's a better fit on both ends, especially when it comes to defense and up tempo offense.
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I would prefer that Jose, instead of expressing unhappiness about the trade, had said- "Whoa, hold on, I'm the point guard here and if Kyle Lowry wants my job, he'll have to take it from me and I don't intend to give it up"

But, then again, that's not Jose and that's why he should go.
Oh, really? That's not Jose?

OMG, how short is our memory span. Remember TJ Ford? Jack? Bayless? All Jose has done through the years is prove time and time again that he is better than the next "solution at PG" and retain his starting spot. If he decided not to do so again this time around, it could be that he's been officially told that the job is Lowry's or got tired of proving himself to the management that is never quite satisfied with him as a starter - but accusing him of a lack of fighting spirit simply will not stand.
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Jose has never been the answer and he's no messiah. I said it before and I will say it again, Lowry isn't a saviour. Never claimed he was. I just think he's a better fit on both ends, especially when it comes to defense and up tempo offense.
Where did I say he was? I was talking about Lowry.

And yes, I realize you consider Kyle a better fit and you may be right about that. But, and that's where my point about apparent lack of trade interest in Lowry comes from, you just might be wrong, and if that is the case, the team might seriously regret not having Jose on the roster.
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To many Jose lovers here.
It's obviose he doesn't want to back up Lowry.
He said it & BC has said it.
Jose will be traded ASAP end of story.
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Old 07-15-2012, 02:21 PM   #177 (permalink)
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After 6 fucking years its time for a change and a new direction. Jose is a expiring contract which is a asset.

Let it go guys... let him go... and i'm a Jose fan saying this.
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After 6 fucking years its time for a change and a new direction. Jose is a expiring contract which is a asset.

Let it go guys... let him go... and i'm a Jose fan saying this.
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Oh, really? That's not Jose?

OMG, how short is our memory span. Remember TJ Ford? Jack? Bayless? All Jose has done through the years is prove time and time again that he is better than the next "solution at PG" and retain his starting spot. If he decided not to do so again this time around, it could be that he's been officially told that the job is Lowry's or got tired of proving himself to the management that is never quite satisfied with him as a starter - but accusing him of a lack of fighting spirit simply will not stand.
P.T. Barnum was right.

Even if management had decided that Lowry was better, they wouldn't say it- they would let the process unfold in training camp. Jose didn't outfight the people he beat out- they proved they weren't up to the job and it fell to him by default. He's a nice and good person, but I'll say it in so many words- " He lacks the necessary fighting spirit"

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Old 07-15-2012, 02:36 PM   #180 (permalink)
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Lowry is better then Ford/Jack/Bayless. That argument is moot.
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