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Old 07-13-2012, 04:55 AM   #81 (permalink)
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I'd take Beaubois back as a backup PG. But that's pretty much it.
We can ask for much more than Beaubois trading JC
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:57 AM   #82 (permalink)
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I just did this on Espn trade machine and it worked

Toronto: Iggy, scola
sixers: caldy, kleiza
rockets: amir, ed

Pushed up our prejcted wins by like 3

Lowry
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Scola ?

could you have scola in the C as JV's mentor?
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:59 AM   #83 (permalink)
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Omg rockets don't need another PF, they have like 8 already.
And Calderon+Kleiza does not net Iguodala not by a long shot. Guys lets keep crazy espn trade machine in trade thread
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Old 07-13-2012, 05:01 AM   #84 (permalink)
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Frye and Childress don't net you Chandler.
All the teams that want Jose will be lowballing in hopes he is amnestied, thats true.

When was the last time a Raptor asked for a trade?
Let's not overrate Chandler(not Tyson) because we don't see him night in and out on the Raptors. Gilinari is the man at 3 in Colorado, the Nuggets were the same team after they signed Chandler. Adding Childress and especially Frye,at the expense of Mozgov essentially,makes them a bit better.
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Old 07-13-2012, 05:09 AM   #85 (permalink)
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If much isn't fetching for Calderon, they should still take what they can get for him so they could amnesty another player like Amir or Kleiza. In this scenario(borderline worst case),trade him to Sacramento. Isiah Thomas played alright for them but Jose is better and may be his veteran leadership could help Cousins and Evans mature.

To Toronto: Jason Thompson, Jimmer Fredette
To Sacramento: Jose Calderon
Approved on ESPN's trade machine----> http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=89xgckw

After acquiring Thompson,Toronto could amnesty Amir. Fredette isn't the ideal back up PG but can be a spark plug off the bench on any given night. If it means a suitor taking Jose off the Raptors hands then they should do this trade. They could always sign a 3rd point guard like Flynn,Lucas the 3rd if they don't believe 100% in Jimmer as a back up PG.

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Old 07-13-2012, 05:48 AM   #86 (permalink)
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Hey can we trade Jose for Scola?
That would at least give us some good value, from a basketball perspective.

But, in my humble opinion, it's bad value from a financial/cap perspective because he's not big enough to play center effectively. That means that, even if we deal with the glut at PF by moving others, it would still be difficult to get Scola 20+ minutes with Bargs as our starter. Scola makes 9/10/11 mill over the next 3 years. If you're making that kind of long term financial commitment, the player should be on the court more than that.

If he was amnestied, I'd be cool with picking him up off waivers, where you could get him for about $3.5 million per year. But we don't have that space, since we prematurely blew our wad on Fields.

Assuming Colangelo wanted to pick up Scola as an asset, I think the Raps would have until the 17th to convince the Rockets to hold off on the amnesty. I doubt Dallas would want to help but...here it goes...

To Orlando: whatever picks prospects Houston gives
To Houston: D12 + shitty Orlando contracts + Dallas 2nd rounder
To Dallas: Calderon
To Toronto: Scola + Darren Collison

Some shit like that might work
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:38 AM   #87 (permalink)
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Just remembered that JC contract contains 10% trade kicker. So its not 10.5M but rather 11.6M as we trade it. Maybe thats why his agent is asking for a trade
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:11 AM   #88 (permalink)
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We'll know tomorrow if we get Fields and I'm guessing BC won't do anything before that. But I bet he knows what trades are there to be had, he's been discussing Jose with other teams for a while now.
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:31 AM   #89 (permalink)
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I'm thinking maybe BC has made all this noise about Jose's unhappiness to move a deal forward and look to get more interest so there are teams competing for him. So if a team was wanting a pick back as well, or wanting us to take a shitty contract back, maybe now they just look at taking the guy they want and giving us what we want, assuming there are teams that want him straight up, and there has to be at least one that could consider it.
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I'm thinking maybe BC has made all this noise about Jose's unhappiness to move a deal forward and look to get more interest so there are teams competing for him. So if a team was wanting a pick back as well, or wanting us to take a shitty contract back, maybe now they just look at taking the guy they want and giving us what we want, assuming there are teams that want him straight up, and there has to be at least one that could consider it.
I'm sure teams were hoping for the amnesty clause but Colangelo knows that would be foolish despite JeffB lobbying all year for it. Maybe this does indeed stir the pot and get a few teams in need of veteran leadership and talent to realize he could go elsewhere and possibly remove yet another option for them.
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Old 07-13-2012, 10:23 AM   #91 (permalink)
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I sincerely doubt that BC needed to comment to the media for the other teams to get the message. When a team is trading for a point guard who has burned the bridges with his last club because of the starting role issues, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the incumbent PG is on the market...
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Old 07-13-2012, 11:09 AM   #92 (permalink)
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I sincerely doubt that BC needed to comment to the media for the other teams to get the message. When a team is trading for a point guard who has burned the bridges with his last club because of the starting role issues, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the incumbent PG is on the market...
BC did say, as carp suggests, that he had to tell teams that they were not going to amnesty him. I'm sure other teams understood the situation, but also hoped they could get the better of a deal by just waiting for BC to need to deal with a difficult situation. There was also the distinct possibilty that teams saw BC as willing to play Jose off the bench and wait to see how things developed on all fronts up to the trade deadline.

By clearly stating that Jose is not happy, he is letting it be known that there will be no waiting period, and that he has no problem with letting the need for an IMMEDIATE trade be known. The message he sends is that he can still deal from a position of some strength due to the overall interest, which can only increase with his acknowledgement. So it's time to put the best deal on the table.
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Old 07-13-2012, 11:11 AM   #93 (permalink)
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We send jose derozan ed and receive iggy and vucevic

Though they have turner as starting sg, better to clear sf load and obtain sg instead. Also they get a great backup pg also they get davis who could potentially start as pf, in place of brand.
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BC did say, as carp suggests, that he had to tell teams that they were not going to amnesty him. I'm sure other teams understood the situation, but also hoped they could get the better of a deal by just waiting for BC to need to deal with a difficult situation. There was also the distinct possibilty that teams saw BC as willing to play Jose off the bench and wait to see how things developed on all fronts up to the trade deadline.

By clearly stating that Jose is not happy, he is letting it be known that there will be no waiting period, and that he has no problem with letting the need for an IMMEDIATE trade be known. The message he sends is that he can still deal from a position of some strength due to the overall interest, which can only increase with his acknowledgement. So it's time to put the best deal on the table.
Agreed. Also, GM's love to explore all options before making a move.... if seeing that one option may be gone soon, they may be more inclined to at least get in on the discussions
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Old 07-13-2012, 11:25 AM   #95 (permalink)
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Say what you will about JC but he's a class act all the way
I'm just hoping a deal can be made that is advantageous to both sides...JC deserves that much
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Old 07-13-2012, 11:26 AM   #96 (permalink)
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I would love to see him in LA as a back up to Steve!

Fuck - I would officially like more players on the Lakers then I despise!
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Old 07-13-2012, 11:28 AM   #97 (permalink)
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He's so consistent and his playstyle is really becoming extinct in these newer players. Ffs what do people expect from him throwing the ball to the wings with the likes of DeRozan and Johnson? Or maybe in the post to Gray or Davis?

His numbers are lower, but how can you blame him if he's the most talented player on the court for the Raps on most nights while Bargs is hurt?
He was consistent this past season but the previous 2-3 seasons he was not consistent and was injury prone. Jose fanboys make it sound like this guy is some HOF player (ie: He should retire a raptor). And no way he's a top 10 PG in the NBA as you said earlier, a couple years ago he was ranked 21st in the NBA for starting PGs. I would say realistically he's around 15th at best.
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Old 07-13-2012, 11:50 AM   #98 (permalink)
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