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Old 07-15-2012, 09:46 PM   #201 (permalink)
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That trade would be a salary dump, so it better not happen
Not sure Beaubois is any good either, i'd rather take a pick, Dallas will not finish very high next season
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BTW, I checked Dallas's current pick situation in case the idea of picks comes up in other people's trade scenarios.

It's impossible to get Dallas to include any of their own first round picks in a deal done this summer, no matter what players are involved, because they have an outstanding obligation to Houston that ties up their future picks and could involve them sending their 2018 pick to the Rockets. That prevents them from sending a future pick that could be owed in 2019. And you can't trade 2020 picks until next year. The pick to Houston is top 20 protected until 2018. So, that obligation prevents Dallas from sending us their "1st round pick in 2015 or first available draft", because the "first available draft" might not come until 2019.

So no need to talk about 1st rounders from Dallas, at least for now.
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:27 PM   #202 (permalink)
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So Casey during the SL game tonight, said that Jose would have to compete for a spot in the starting lineup wherever he went in the league. This is the truth Jose is going to have to face. Unless we need to free up his dough to acquire Iggy or something, it might be best to have him accept that truth here. As long as Casey stays firm on the idea of competition, and doesn't hand him time at the end of games, and Jose is able to handle that.
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So Casey during the SL game tonight, said that Jose would have to compete for a spot in the starting lineup wherever he went in the league. This is the truth Jose is going to have to face. Unless we need to free up his dough to acquire Iggy or something, it might be best to have him accept that truth here. As long as Casey stays firm on the idea of competition, and doesn't hand him time at the end of games, and Jose is able to handle that.
agreed... it's all about the tone that the coach sets, and if that tone is one of professionalism and truth then we're good. Jose is a professional and Casey has proven that he will manage this team rationally and with a firm approach. It's about time. Fan overreaction should mean very little.
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:54 PM   #204 (permalink)
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Having Jose play for the Raptors this season isn't a bad thing if he is ok to be the back up.
But untill we hear it from Jose him self I doubt he will still be in Toronto to start the season.
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:34 AM   #205 (permalink)
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Having Jose play for the Raptors this season isn't a bad thing if he is ok to be the back up.
But untill we hear it from Jose him self I doubt he will still be in Toronto to start the season.
Jose is not getting traded before her has a decent to great outing at the Olympics.
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Old 07-16-2012, 04:37 AM   #206 (permalink)
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I like the points that the last two posters have made (hbb and poetics).

I won't mind Jose on this team and he is one of the few players that would accept his role as a backup for the year (or at least until the trade deadline) without saying a word.

We have to remember though, that this is an agent-driven league and it's probably Jose's agent that's making all of the noise and not Jose himself. I'm sure his agent (who gets a percentage of what Jose makes -therefore wants a bigger deal) wants Jose to have a good Olympics and a good season somewhere (read: starter) so he can cash in.
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:04 AM   #207 (permalink)
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Jose is not getting traded before her has a decent to great outing at the Olympics.


He's liable to pull or break something. Better not wait if at all possible.
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:18 AM   #208 (permalink)
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How about this 4 team deal?

Toronto Gets: SF- Wilson Chandler & PG- Eric Maynor
Denver Gets: C- Channing Frye
Phoenix Gets: SG- Daequan Cook & C- Cole Aldrich
Oklahoma City Gets- Jose Calderon

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Okc gives up the most but Cook and Aldrich are little used,and with Calderon coming in there wouldn't be need for Maynor as a back up PG. Having Jose would allow Westbrook to play SG at times too. All things considered from personnel to cap space and remaining years,this is a fair deal.
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:40 AM   #209 (permalink)
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Calderon’s agent has let it be known that the veteran point guard would prefer to be traded rather than return as a backup to Kyle Lowry, but Raptors general manager Bryan Colangelo said he has not found a trade offer to his liking as of yet.

“We have had a few more trade inquiries regarding Jose (but) the scenario doesn’t seem to present itself to a trade today, but we’ll continue to monitor that and just try to determine whether it’s going to work in the long run,” Colangelo said on Sunday afternoon.
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“At least one transaction that could happen that would free up some additional flexibility, both financially and with respect to the new makeup and composition of our team in terms of playing time,” he said of the unnamed player.
Calderon may stay for now; Raps lose in Vegas | Basketball | Sports | Toronto Sun
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:43 AM   #210 (permalink)
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to the above 4 team deal

you all are just in love with the espn trade machine
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:08 PM   #211 (permalink)
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If a decent trade is not available, and the Raptors are not in the mix for a trade for a big-contract player (such as AI), then their best move is probably to keep Calderon and maybe trade him during the season to a team that needs a PG and likes the expiring contract. Using the amnesty provision would help Calderon (because this is a contract year and he could try to catch on with a team where he would get more playing time), but unless Colangelo needs the financial flexibility now for another move, it does the Raptors no good.
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Wow just heard BC regarding Jose Calderon on TSN. Looks like he is going to keep him to start the year also for the first time i heard him say it might be Jose starting and Lowry coming off the bench.....very interesting
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Wow just heard BC regarding Jose Calderon on TSN. Looks like he is going to keep him to start the year also for the first time i heard him say it might be Jose starting and Lowry coming off the bench.....very interesting
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Wow just heard BC regarding Jose Calderon on TSN. Looks like he is going to keep him to start the year also for the first time i heard him say it might be Jose starting and Lowry coming off the bench.....very interesting
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Doubtful, but we'll see what happens. If he starts the season on the team i doubt he ends it with us, so it could be interesting. I'm tired of this whole scenario to be honest. Jose has gotten us nowhere and this whole thing will only serve as a distraction imo. All the while Colangelo said today that he's giving the keys to the team to Lowry and he's the PG of the future (said it in the press conference). I think that either way Calderon's days here are probably numbered. I really hope they end sooner rather than later.
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how would Colangelo feel if once again Jose out plays the starting pg and holds his role? lol Honestly having both those guys on our team i think we'll be great and I'm really looking forward to both of them working their arses off for that starting spot. Hopefully Jose's trade value goes up and near the trade deadline we can package Jose and someone else depending on how the 1st half of the season goes in a deal for an all-star SF.
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how would Colangelo feel if once again Jose out plays the starting pg and holds his role?
funny thing about that is that both jack and ford outplayed jose for large chunks of time. especially jack's first year here. jose's contract has been tough to move the last 3yrs or so. much easier to move jack @ 3yrs/15mil rather than jose at 3yrs/30mil for pretty much equal talent. and who knows what would have happened here if ford hadn't had his smacked in atlanta. he was on a roll at that point.
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funny thing about that is that both jack and ford outplayed jose for large chunks of time. especially jack's first year here. jose's contract has been tough to move the last 3yrs or so. much easier to move jack @ 3yrs/15mil rather than jose at 3yrs/30mil for pretty much equal talent. and who knows what would have happened here if ford hadn't had his smacked in atlanta. he was on a roll at that point.
Jack did play very well but Jose was the better option, theres a reason he was given a big contract. and if i remember correctly (correct me if im wrong) it was right after ford got smacked in atlanta that Jose played some of his best basketball and was being mentioned in talks about becoming an all-star reserve. He outshone Ford. But from what ive seen i like Lowry more than all 3 guys and i think he'll really make Jose work.
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theres a reason he was given a big contract.
There's also a reason why Colangelo tried to trade him and keep Jack instead a couple years ago after Jack outplayed him in 2009-10 season. Jose was begining to be injury prone and Jack at his salary was a better value given they're in the same tier talent wise (5Mil vs 8.5Mil). Let's face it, for 2-3 years Calderon was not worth the salary he was getting, mainly due to injuries. This past season he was way more worth his salary than he had been in recent years.

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There's also a reason why Colangelo tried to trade him and keep Jack instead a couple years ago after Jack outplayed him in 2009-10 season. Jose was begining to be injury prone and Jack at his salary was a better value given they're in the same tier talent wise (5Mil vs 8.5Mil). Let's face it, for 2-3 years Calderon was not worth the salary he was getting, mainly due to injuries. This past season he was way more worth his salary than he had been in recent years.
very true i forgot about him leaving and yet still being here. i guess ive successfully blocked out the time we almost had tyson chandler
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