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Old 08-13-2008, 04:13 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Power is Money and Money is power therefore it is the world banks that are controling everything everyone does.
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Old 08-13-2008, 04:14 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Nope, no racism here

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rac·ism –noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Anyone who calls that racist is just wrong. Definitely more stupid than racist.
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Old 08-13-2008, 04:15 PM   #123 (permalink)
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Power is Money and Money is power therefore it is the world banks that are controling everything everyone does.
Francis Bacon would dissagree vehamently.
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Old 08-13-2008, 04:19 PM   #124 (permalink)
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Francis Bacon would dissagree vehamently.
I fart in his general direction.
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Old 08-13-2008, 04:20 PM   #125 (permalink)
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I'm so lost and confused as to where this thread has gone right now.
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I fart in his general direction.
Do you know who Francis Bacon is?
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I'm so lost and confused as to where this thread has gone right now.
Snooch is farting on Francis Bacon.
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Old 08-13-2008, 04:22 PM   #128 (permalink)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon

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Old 08-13-2008, 04:22 PM   #129 (permalink)
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Do you know who Francis Bacon is?
The catalyst of the Scientific Revolution.

And I still fart on him.
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Old 08-13-2008, 04:27 PM   #130 (permalink)
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The catalyst of the Scientific Revolution.

And I still fart on him.
Bravo good sir.....bravo.

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Old 08-13-2008, 04:29 PM   #131 (permalink)
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It's still better, IMHO, to fart on Bacon than to argue the degree of offensiveness of that photo.
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Old 08-13-2008, 04:30 PM   #132 (permalink)
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Hmmm smoky Bacon
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Old 08-13-2008, 04:42 PM   #133 (permalink)
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Nothing is obvious. Ethics differ with ethnos and cultural values vary.
exactly. so just because you don't find it offensive, doesn't mean others won't.

take that ad for example. a woman is being used as a beer holder while 3 guys gang-bang her. what are the chances that people will find that offensive? pretty darn sure, i'd say.
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Old 08-13-2008, 04:44 PM   #134 (permalink)
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exactly. so just because you don't find it offensive, doesn't mean others won't.

take that ad for example. a woman is being used as a beer holder while 3 guys gang-bang her. what are the chances that people will find that offensive? pretty darn sure, i'd say.
Never seen that ad
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Old 08-13-2008, 04:52 PM   #135 (permalink)
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exactly. so just because you don't find it offensive, doesn't mean others won't.

take that ad for example. a woman is being used as a beer holder while 3 guys gang-bang her. what are the chances that people will find that offensive? pretty darn sure, i'd say.
Right but it was done with the intent to shock and offend....I think "intent" is a big factor here.
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Old 08-13-2008, 05:16 PM   #136 (permalink)
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There will always be someone special to get offended and start the protests...

Say, I am a Muslim and a Christian or Jewish or Hindu mythology offends me. Should I start the protests? Wait a minute...
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Old 08-13-2008, 05:39 PM   #137 (permalink)
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what? that gesture is insult no matter where you are. I really hope you're just trying to defend their actions and that mentality actually isn't acceptable.
It depends on the culture of the place. What in one place is an aberration in others is normal. I eat pig and cow, in Spain is normal, but not in India or moslem countries. The same for the wine, we are proud of our wines. Now, try to give some wine to a moslem guy.

If some asian guy called me round eyes and I didn't sense any malice, I wouldn't mind. The same with the gesture.

Now, someone could call me a nice guy with malice and then I could feel insulted.

In Spain we don't sense that gesture as an insult, we just think that people who do it are drunk or are silly ones, not that they are insulting asian people. That's the why I don't sense it's an insult.

I understand that asian people sense they are being insulted just watching the pic, and that's the reason why I think they shouldn't have done it.

You remember TJ saying in Italy that if it could have been possible, he hadn't left his town? My opinion was this: I had nothing against that, I mean, if it's what he feels, wtf, it's his right to do what makes him happy, but at the same time, I say he was wrong, he couldn't say that because it can be sense as an insult for the Italians.

The next day he had to say that Italy was great and that he didn't mean his town was better than Italy, just that he was a guy who didn't like to leave his town.

TJ has always been a guy who say what he feels. Is that bad? No. Was that in Italy an error? Yes.

Same here, someone sense it was the right to look as Chinese people, and they chose the worst expression for it.
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Old 08-13-2008, 05:41 PM   #138 (permalink)
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I eat pig and cow, in Spain is normal, but not in India or moslem countries.
Just to point out that Muslims can eat beef ... being Muslim, I would know ... (back to reading the rest of your post)
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Old 08-13-2008, 05:47 PM   #139 (permalink)
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Good link Dr.

Boo Hoo, poor Pau got bullied into taking a photo he thought could be deemed as offensive and racist. I mean he isnt the biggest star on the team, he isnt earning millions of dollars in the USA, he obviously couldnt stand up to them and refuse to take the photo. Had to follow the company line like an athlete from the old Soviet Union.

These kind of excuses are what is making everyone sick, either, im not to blame, or its not as offensive as you are making it sound.
Yup, I know that DH is wearing Nike clothes at the Olympics because he wants. He is a fucking traitor, Adidas should punish him.
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Old 08-13-2008, 05:49 PM   #140 (permalink)
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Just to point out that Muslims can eat beef ... being Muslim, I would know ... (back to reading the rest of your post)
sorry, I know it, I just wanted to say that muslim don't eat pig and Indian don't eat cow and I mixed it badly.
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