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Old 08-13-2008, 10:13 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Old 08-13-2008, 10:22 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Here's a little more insight as to why the ad was done by the Spanish team.

Link: http://olympics.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ges-of-racism/
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:01 AM   #64 (permalink)
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Not sure if this is relevant, however it is to me considering the discussion that it's following, good read.

http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/Ideas/article/475528
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:04 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Not sure if this is relevant, however it is to me considering the discussion that it's following, good read.

http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/Ideas/article/475528
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:07 AM   #66 (permalink)
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:08 AM   #67 (permalink)
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:23 AM   #68 (permalink)
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:41 AM   #69 (permalink)
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Didnt Spain recently get fined by a world soccer body for making "monkey noises" directed at black English players? Was that just a show of respect to the black players aswell? Ahhh, classy bunch!! Also taunted a black driver with the same type of chants in an F-1 race. Wanting to host the Olympics in the near future, you would think the Spanish Basketball Federation would have more sense then this.
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:48 AM   #70 (permalink)
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Old 08-13-2008, 12:01 PM   #71 (permalink)
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wowowowo, I think you have no clue what your saying, that's too much.

Eurocentric arrogance ... whatever. Call me when you find other expression that can be in a pic and that makes people think about chinese people: that's the wink that Jose was saying, wrong? yeah, of course. Racist? lol, your watching more that what can be watched right there, your putting preconceived ideas on this matter. At Spain, that expression isn't used as an insult, don't put your thoughts as the reason they did that, that's a epic failure.

Racism ... yeah, Spain is the European country that is trying harder to help the inmigration and make it sustainabled, but we are racist because some people made a wrong face expression.



I'm going to guess you have no clue what that expression means, because I don't want to think that you are calling us nazis. Yeah, that's the name that we give in Spain to the people who think so.
Try and see beyond your own nose on this one Rapsfan. First off, every single idea you've ever had in your life is preconceived if it your using language to communicate it.
I dont think I can expand much on what 'trane said. He pretty much elaborated on my points beautifully.
Because meaning itself is so elusive, pulling a stunt like the spanish team did has to be understood in wider contexts of interpretations. I'm actually not reading that much into it at all. I was merely considering the very real possibilities of it being interpreted as racist by a whole bunch of people, including myself, and the consequences of that historically.
Saying I don't know what I'm talking about while you not understanding what I'm talking about is a big "lol".
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Old 08-13-2008, 12:03 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Didnt Spain recently get fined by a world soccer body for making "monkey noises" directed at black English players? Was that just a show of respect to the black players aswell? Ahhh, classy bunch!! Also taunted a black driver with the same type of chants in an F-1 race. Wanting to host the Olympics in the near future, you would think the Spanish Basketball Federation would have more sense then this.
A) theres racism in EVERY crowd of soccer. Spanish are no diferent, but we have one of the the most pacific crowd in europe. Italians, english, germans, scotish, turkish, greeks are ten times worst.

B) those comments where done by 5 idiots. Please dont generalize. Hamilton (the F1 driver) said they were 5 idiots and that spanish fans are usually normal.

C) why is it when things like this happends only mostly americans get offended by it.

Next time do a little research before doing comments like that.
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Old 08-13-2008, 12:07 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Its the second time I post this, just aply it to the context.


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Old 08-13-2008, 12:08 PM   #74 (permalink)
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A) theres racism in EVERY crowd of soccer. Spanish are no diferent, but we have one of the the most pacific crowd in europe. Italians, english, germans, scotish, turkish, greeks are ten times worst.

B) those comments where done by 5 idiots. Please dont generalize. Hamilton (the F1 driver) said they were 5 idiots and that spanish fans are usually normal.

C) why is it when things like this happends only mostly americans get offended by it.

Next time do a little research before doing comments like that.
So its not a fact a world soccer body fined Spanish soccer for this? Yes blame the foreigners! Wait, seems you already are. Yes theres racism everywhere, just pointing out that a country looking to host the Olympics should show more sensitivity then this pic does, but by the reactions of all the people from Spain here, who cares what other people think or who gets offended, they are obviously not as fun and enlightened as us (coming from the country of the Spanish Inquistion, funny), we know what we mean!!

Yes i made up all these things happening, why do you seem so offended? Not my fault you have ignorant, unsenitive people doing idiotic thinks on the worlds biggest stage, then you shrug it off because it doesnt offend YOU.
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You know how much I love Jose but ... sorry, I find it kinda offensive. Bad idea. Bad, bad idea. That being said, apologise and move on.
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Old 08-13-2008, 12:11 PM   #76 (permalink)
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So its not a fact a world soccer body fined Spanish soccer for this? Yes blame the foreigners! Wait, seems you already are. Yes theres racism everywhere, just pointing out that a country looking to host the Olympics should show more sensitivity then this pic does, but by the reactions of all the people from Spain here, who cares what other people think or who gets offended, they are obviously not as fun and enlightened as us (coming from the country of the Spanish Inquistion, funny), we know what we mean!!

Yes i made up all these things happening, why do you seem so offended? Not my fault you have ignorant, unsenitive people doing idiotic thinks on the worlds biggest stage, then you shrug it off because it doesnt offend YOU.

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i see where you're coming from belsius, but cornering off racist behaviour to just a few individuals ignores the fact that they just don't cook up their behaviour on their own. there's a long tradition here, and I deal with racism every time I work. it comes in all different types of shapes but the one thing all of these shapes have in common is the belief that what they're doing and saying isn't racist. they all share the same root presuppositions.
i think carlin is right to a point, but it still doesn't take into account the ways in which other culture's make sense of things. white people like to pull the racist flag whenever possible to alleviate some sort of cultural pressure to not appear racist. in itself that's racist because they're failing to understand the meaning of a racist gesture in a wider historical context and hoping to put up some sort of anti-racist front.
still, to wink at chinese culture, or to signal towards it from spain, there just has to be a better way.
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You know how much I love Jose but ... sorry, I find it kinda offensive. Bad idea. Bad, bad idea. That being said, apologise and move on.
i think something more needs to happen. something completely out of our hands. but that's all that people do when shit like this happens. apologize and move on. and the shit keeps happening.
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Old 08-13-2008, 12:26 PM   #79 (permalink)
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again, I think the photo is stupid, but it should not be given any importancy.
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Old 08-13-2008, 12:28 PM   #80 (permalink)
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To be honest. Getting too worked up over this is a bit much. It was a bad idea, period, however the thoughts or idea's these guy had in the moment are probably not quite what the media, and some concerened PD cops are making it out to be. Key people have apologized, and the apologies seem legit. It's best to move on, use the message positively to raise a bit of awareness to the fact that these types of gaffs are not ok. Other than that, it isn't a big deal, certainly not one to get all deep and concerned about.
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