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View Poll Results: Would you trade jose for a late pick (23+) and expirings?
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Old 02-20-2012, 10:34 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Pretty sure we can get a higher pick if we trade him. Maybe 14-20
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Old 02-21-2012, 09:50 AM   #42 (permalink)
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As an addition to the Jose-to-Lakers suggestion, although their TPE is not large enough to fit him, it is large enough to fit a player who would then be large enough for a Jose trade.

The expiring contract players large enough to trade for Jose (you can't combine players you recently traded for) and small enough to fit into their trade exception are:

Carl Landry
Kirk Hinrich
Kris Humphries
Andre Miller
Jameer Nelson (with a PO for next year)
Maurice Williams (with a PO for next year)

So, potentially, the Lakers could acquire any of those players with their TPE and flip them for Jose. Now, this seems unlikely - there aren't too many expiring contracts that fit into the required salary range (7.45M to 8.9M). Of course, it doesn't have to be an expiring, but otherwise it would have to be a younger player with some upside the Raps might want to keep, and how would the Lakers get that player and why would they trade him away?
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Old 02-21-2012, 10:06 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Other players who fit the salary range but are not expiring contracts:
Marvin Williams (3 yrs, 23M)
Anderson Varejao (4 yrs, 35M)
Shawn Marion (3 yrs, 25M)
Arron Afflalo (5 yrs, 39M)
Rodney Stuckey (3 yrs, 26M)
Rip Hamilton (2 yrs, 15M)
Charlie Villanueva (3 yrs, 24M)
Luis Scola (4 yrs, 39M)
Caron Butler (3yrs, 24M)
Kendrick Perkins (4 yrs, 33M)
Thaddeus Young (5 yrs, 43M)
Ray Felton (1yr, 7.56M - oops, missed an expiring)
John Salmons (4 yrs, 31M)
Paul Millsap (2 yrs, 17M)

So... yeah. Not a lot of options there that teams would want to give up for cheap. The Pistons would love to move those players for cap relief, but that equally means we don't want them.

This does give you an idea of the sort of players in the salary range we'd be taking back for Jose if it was a one-for-one straight up deal (with picks, of course).

Oh, well, it was a thought.
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Old 02-21-2012, 10:50 AM   #44 (permalink)
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trading him means were moving steps back instead of moving steps up into making the playoffs for the future
We couldn't make the playoffs when he was playing beside Bosh.

Take that late pick and take a gamble With it. Something we've never done but ther teams more than capitalized on.
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Old 02-21-2012, 11:23 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:12 PM   #46 (permalink)
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This team has start thinking like portland and denver; collecting savvy experienced players who play high IQ ball. Not playing Bingo every off season.
why, you like winning 45 games and losing in the 1st round of the playoffs year after year?

Worst thing in this league is to be average, it's a trap from which you can only get out if you get really lucky. Once you hit the cap, you'd better have that superstar, or else you're done, unless you're in a market where superstars want to come and play. Which we're not (and neither is Denver).

If Gallinari and/or Lawson don't make some massive improvements, Denver will never win even a conference finals with that core.
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:17 PM   #47 (permalink)
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as for the draft pick we would get for Jose, keep in mind that only playoff teams would be interested in a veteran PG, and they won't have high picks. The pool of available trade candidates is pretty shallow: LA, Dallas, Orlando, Portland. From non-playoff teams, maybe Sacramento could show some interest, since they're desperate to get some momentum. While Jose would be an upgrade in a few other places (Miami, Atlanta, Indiana), the difference is not big enough to compensate the huge salary discrepancy.
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Old 02-21-2012, 02:27 PM   #48 (permalink)
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as for the draft pick we would get for Jose, keep in mind that only playoff teams would be interested in a veteran PG, and they won't have high picks. The pool of available trade candidates is pretty shallow: LA, Dallas, Orlando, Portland. From non-playoff teams, maybe Sacramento could show some interest, since they're desperate to get some momentum. While Jose would be an upgrade in a few other places (Miami, Atlanta, Indiana), the difference is not big enough to compensate the huge salary discrepancy.
See, this is what happens when you actually start to analyze what's possible instead of blindly saying "trade Jose while the stock is high". Not that you personally ever said that - it's just really frustrating to me that some seem to think that a great deal for Jose is waiting for the Raptors to pick up the phone.

Yes, we could probably trade Jose for a late first rounded and an expiring contract to one of the playoffs-bound teams. Would anyone consider this a good deal, other than for the purposes of pure tanking this season, and, likely, the next one as well?
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Old 02-21-2012, 02:35 PM   #49 (permalink)
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trade Jose while the stock is high
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Old 02-21-2012, 02:48 PM   #50 (permalink)
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There is apparently a ton of interest. If BC is doing his job properly, he makes the best deal possible and starts putting some verifiable pieces together rather than holding onto the past. I think there is a good chance this team stinks for the foreseeable future. That includes a future without Jose. We could very well become worse. But we could also start to become a team where potential is realized rather quickly and they go from there. I'm not sure anybody on this team makes that a greater likelihood. There are some that could be part of a sum that is greater than the whole of the parts. I don't think Jose is the guy you look to in that process past next season, so if he has value now, go for it, especially if you can get a decent pick.
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trade Jose while the stock is high
Classy, that. Would you like me to completely ignore you from now on?
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no, that wouldn't be as fun.

but it's also hard to ignore when you take veiled jabs at me like you did in the post above.
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Old 02-21-2012, 04:07 PM   #53 (permalink)
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no, that wouldn't be as fun.

but it's also hard to ignore when you take veiled jabs at me like you did in the post above.
When I take personal jabs, I quote a poster I "jab" at. I was talking about a class of people here, to which you happen to belong. There is no need to make it personal, unless you are planning on goading me into "moderated" posts.
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Old 02-21-2012, 11:54 PM   #54 (permalink)
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There is apparently a ton of interest. If BC is doing his job properly, he makes the best deal possible and starts putting some verifiable pieces together rather than holding onto the past. I think there is a good chance this team stinks for the foreseeable future. That includes a future without Jose. We could very well become worse. But we could also start to become a team where potential is realized rather quickly and they go from there. I'm not sure anybody on this team makes that a greater likelihood. There are some that could be part of a sum that is greater than the whole of the parts. I don't think Jose is the guy you look to in that process past next season, so if he has value now, go for it, especially if you can get a decent pick.
I don't buy it (the ton if interest). Think about it, are there that many teams that would be drooling after Jose? There are a lot of great young PGs in the league right now, about half of them on rookie contracts too.

I think there's a lot of interest from a few teams who have little to offer us. Maybe we'll hear some concrete offers once we get close to the deadline, until that, I will take these rumours with a bag of salt.
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See, this is what happens when you actually start to analyze what's possible instead of blindly saying "trade Jose while the stock is high". Not that you personally ever said that - it's just really frustrating to me that some seem to think that a great deal for Jose is waiting for the Raptors to pick up the phone.

Yes, we could probably trade Jose for a late first rounded and an expiring contract to one of the playoffs-bound teams. Would anyone consider this a good deal, other than for the purposes of pure tanking this season, and, likely, the next one as well?
that was my point, if you look at who would actually be needing Jose, as opposed to what we'd like to obtain for him, things are a bit different ...
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