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Old 01-13-2009, 09:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Good Opening Night Performance

Update: Calderon scored 13 points with seven assists (against just one turnover) and three three-pointers in Wednesday's 95-84 win over the 76ers.
Analysis: He played almost 33 minutes, a little lighter workload than might have been expected, but still turned in very good numbers. Both Chris Bosh and Jermaine O'Neal also had big nights with Calderon getting them the ball, a trend that should result in some very nice assist totals for Calderon once the three get completely comfortable working together.


Well so far so good eh Jackals!

Second Straight 20+ Point Performance

Update: Calderon eclipsed the 20-point mark for the second straight game, dropping 24 points to go along with eight assists and four rebounds in Wednesday night's loss to Detroit.
Analysis: Calderon is averaging nearly a double-double so far (19.5 points, 9.3 assists) and has certainly lived up to all the hype around him in the fantasy realm. He is currently putting up top-5 production and is a virtual lock to finish the season amongst the top-25.


Well what can I say Jackals, 3 games, allstar numbers, and the world is loving Jose Calderon!

Hamstring Injury Diagnosed As Mild Nov 15th. Two weeks into the season!


Update: After an MRI showed that Calderon had nothing but a mild hamstring strain he worked out on his own Friday, but his availability for Sunday's game is still in question, the Toronto Sun reports.
Analysis: The Raptors simply cannot afford to lose Calderon for any length of time given how thin they are at point guard behind him, so this is very good news for the team and for Calderon's owners. Don't be surprised if they sit him Sunday just to make absolutely sure he's 100% before he gets back on the court.


Hasn't been the same since. There's a reason why, and I have been saying it over and over, just to hear misinformed poster's talk about how anyone who understands the injury is a "Jose jock sniffer" or is drinking the "coolaid". Internet terms created by dorks, for other dorks. I'm sorry fella's, but you're wrong, and you really just irritate people with your fanatic fickleness.

Now, if you care to read this, great, I hope you learn something, and understand that when a pro sports franchise says a player has a small injury, it's almost ALWAYS worse. If you don't care to read this, fine, no biggie, but shut the fuck up with the constant, uncalled for and ignorant ranting about how bad Calderon is, when half the fucking league wanted the guy, and still do. NOBODY but people on thi sboard rip this guy, he's STILL getting ALLSTAR like attention from southern media outlets, and his GM, who knows a bit about Basketball, won't even consider a trade for him.

Anatomy and function

The word ‘hamstring’ comes from ham (back of the knee) and string (tendon); the hamstring group is comprised of the three muscles that together span the posterior compartment of the thigh: semitendinosus, semimembranosus and biceps femoris. At their top end, the muscles attach to the ischial tuberosity of the pelvic bone and the femur (thigh bone). At their far point, they attach to the outer side of tibia and fibula (the leg bones).

The hamstring muscles, with their two-joint attachments, serve the unique function of flexing the leg upon the thigh; and contribute to the hip extensor function of the gluteus maximus muscle.

Risk factors

Hamstring injuries in sport usually happen as a result of rapid acceleration or deceleration while running or jumping. The main modifiable risk factors include:

* inadequate warm-up lmuscle fatigue

* muscle tightness

* imbalance of muscular strength with low hamstring to quadriceps ratio

* previous injury.

The risk of injury is reported to be higher among black and aboriginal people, and increases with age (1, 8, 9).

Symptoms and signs

The most common symptom of upper hamstring tear is pain in the back of the thigh or buttock. Other symptoms include swelling and bruising (ecchymosis) of the rear thigh, local tenderness, asymmetry and a slipping or bunching of the avulsed muscle belly down the thigh. Weakness and visible defects with active and resisted knee flexion may confirm a complete hamstring tear at the upper attachment.

After a hamstring injury, diagnosis is often delayed. Therapists should be prepared to seek early ultrasound imaging to verify suspected tears. MRI can also identify which muscle has been injured and the amount of tendon retraction that has occurred(10). Sciatic nerve symptoms, such as numbness or muscle weakness should also be investigated. These are often related to inflammation and scarring around the nerve, because of its close proximity to the injured muscle groups. Note that pain referred from the lumbar spine, sciatic nerve or gluteal and piriformis muscles may mimic hamstring strains (8).

Management

The initial management of hamstring injuries involves rest, analgesia and ice packs. But where you suspect a complete upperattachment tear, a conservative approach is not advised. In these cases, non-operative management is associated with a delay in return to sports and long-term functional impairment. It is currently thought far better to seek an early diagnosis and acute surgical repair to reattach the torn tendons (11, 12, 13, 14).

Other reasons to consider operative management of an injury would be where there is a partial hamstring origin tear, sciatic nerve symptoms or chronic tears with functional impairment.

Good results from operative re-attachment, with a successful return to sport, have been reported. This is also our experience of having performed eight complete upper-end hamstring tear repairs in athletes during the last five years. The average time from injury to surgery was five weeks, with the range (one to 14 weeks) reflecting the tendency for delayed diagnosis. A return to full activity was achieved at an average of 25 weeks (the range was 18 to 65 weeks).

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Rehab and return to sports

After their operation, the patient will be braced for eight weeks, to stabilise the hip in extension and the knee in 90 degrees of flexion. They will progress to specialist physiotherapy and a supervised rehabilitation programme lasting six months. The physiotherapy mainly focuses on stretching and strengthening of the hamstring muscles. Most patients regain full range of motion at 14 to 16 weeks of recovery.

Re-injury to hamstring tears may be a result of the risk factors associated with the initial damage (15). Tears heal by scarring; ineffective treatment results in an accumulation of scars and adhesions, predisposing the athlete to re-injury. Previously injured muscle is more susceptible to eccentric loading damage (16) . The re-injury rate after surgical repair of torn upperattachment hamstring origin is not known.
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Considering that he's been injured pretty much since the Olympics, i've been impressed with Calderon. And he was starting to play like himself again as he was getting to 100%, before re-agrivating his hamstring! Tough season so far for Jose, but considering that his stats are impressive, his FT % is perfect and he doesn't turn the ball over. I've said this before, give him an upgrade at the 2 or 3(or both) and watch what he can do!

There is such a lack of consistent players around him this season, it's sad.
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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He is good and I said this before. If it wasn't for the injury everyone would still be on Jose's dick
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:44 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Jose is a good PG and definately needs a slasher to be truely effective.
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Old 01-13-2009, 11:41 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks for bringing this to light so nicely SJ. As several people have maintained: Calderon is not the same player because of the hamstring injury. It's bothering him way more than he lets on.
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Old 01-13-2009, 11:42 PM   #6 (permalink)
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eh, next season Jose will rise up again. And us stupid Raps fan will chant Jose, jose, jose , jose to ole. Thats how we are...
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Old 01-14-2009, 12:31 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Not impressed with Jose at all this season. He hasn't sucked but I was campaigning for him last year and he has let me down. JO is hurt and people aren't impressed with him... I don't see why Jose should get a pass. Expect more from him. Hopefully when he gets healthier he will salvage our season.

Good info SJ. Didn't know it was like that.
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Old 01-14-2009, 03:06 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Not impressed with Jose at all this season. He hasn't sucked but I was campaigning for him last year and he has let me down. JO is hurt and people aren't impressed with him... I don't see why Jose should get a pass. Expect more from him. Hopefully when he gets healthier he will salvage our season.

Good info SJ. Didn't know it was like that.
JO is hurt, but I am impressed! He's showed that when healthy he still has something. And I bet more people would be impressed, or still be impressed if Bargnani was a stiff when called up tp start.

When backups giv e some good play it always causes the masses to second guess the main guy who is out at the time, no matter what position, no matter what team, it always happens.

I think we are seeing that at both positions.

Has he dissappiointed me this season? Yes he has, but I understand a lot of it is his injury. I also think he hasnt had the playing time under Triano so we havnt seen him play any different in the few games we have seen him.

I think a lot of this has to do with Calderon still having a lot of Smitchism in him. Once he gets healthy and plays under Triano (or another coach) for a while, you will see a different and far better Calderon.
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Old 01-14-2009, 06:58 AM   #9 (permalink)
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He has a lot of Smitchism? And that was bad for him two years ago, and last season when everyone loved him - how exactly?

And great information SJ. It's nice to see that fantasy GMs think so highly of the guy I suppose.

My expectations for the guy were to be a solid pg who could execute well in the half-court and dictate a style of play. I thought he was going to be a little bit like Chauncey this season. But that game against Denver that cost Sam his job demonstrated pretty clearly how far he has to go to be at Chauncey's level. He's put up pretty good numbers and there's no denying his work ethic, but he has opted to play safe rather than dictate anything, and he still gets pressured far too easily to be effective when he needs to be, as was clearly demonstrated when they played Denver at home and Dahntay Jones forced him into a turnover immediately which then set Jose and the whole team on their heels for the rest of the second half.

So is the problem injury? If so when did this injury happen? Because I saw the same problems once the schedule became hectic last season. Everyone looks at how he broke out when TJ first had to rest with injury, but they gloss over all the problems that he faced after TJ was hurt in the Horford incident. Was that due to injury? Or has the guy actually simply not passed the test as a starter in this league?

Fantasy GMs were able to get themselves off when he was a backup. He put up good numbers then. As a starter he needs more than stats - he needs to show that he can control some aspects of the game, and not just in a game here and there. Even in one of his most succesful starts number-wise last season, against NJ after the Kidd trade, the Nets were able to put a 40 year old D. Armstrong on him and pressure him up the court, and keeping a huge lead came into question to the point where they had to get Delfino to bring the ball up the court for him. That simply has to be fixed as much as any wonky hamstring.
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Oh - and I guess I hardly STFU-ed there. Oh well. Just explain how this injury made him play the same plodding style last season and I'll gladly shut up on cue.
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This is all great but it does nothing against my argument that even when healthy he's not the right point guard for this roster. Even when healthy he doens't penetrate and kick out enough, even when healthy he settles for the safe play over the potentially game-changing one every time, even when healthy he plays defense like a pylon

He's a great point guard capable of putting up really good numbers... but until we get different guys that can create for themselves we're going to struggle to beat good teams with him as our leader IMO>
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Oh - and I guess I hardly STFU-ed there. Oh well. Just explain how this injury made him play the same plodding style last season and I'll gladly shut up on cue.
Well you're either just a little sloww, or you just don't like ho whe plays.

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I really don't care now, this is the last thread i'll really go into it.

The guy is hurt, he was hurt a few games in and hasn't been good since.

You didn't like his game last year?

Guess that's your opinion, seems many people did, including a ton of GM's, and enough analysts, players, and other coaches that he was pretty much the last guy left off the allstar team. If you just don't like his style, ok, thats fine, but that is a far cry from the BS I read on this site about ho whe isn't even a good player. LX I'm sure you know what I mean.

As for the fantasy comments, don't be douchebags, I ain't some 16 year old rookie, that shit won't shake me or my opinion, it's BUSH LEAGUE LEBOWSKI!!!You know damn well those are just recaps., nothing more nohing less, so don't play the part of the fool trying to skew it as though I am using a fantasy writer as my foundation or evidence in favor of Calderon, his play does that well enough. If you'd like me to find recaps straight outta opposing team scouting pads I'm sorry, it ain't all that easy. The point is, he was everybodies darling when healthy, and now you all go as far as to say he's not even a good PG, or perhaps a back up. It's so ridiculous it's actually insulting to people that follow the game and understand the game and the business.

Thats all.
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Oh - and I guess I hardly STFU-ed there. Oh well. Just explain how this injury made him play the same plodding style last season and I'll gladly shut up on cue.
oh yes, and one more thing, you wouldn't shut up on cue for anything, you don't know any better

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SJ, if he's hurt, and he is, but keep coming back. If it's something he can play through, than he should play through it, and stop being a pussy. If it's serious, why does he keep coming back? Get 100%.

I swear I heard a quote saying that he took that week off before Boston to get 100%. He comes back against Boston, and adios, he's gone again.
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dude I'm with you, I think it's absolutely idiotic that they even consider letting him play. I had a Hammy that didn't fully hear for 8 months once, it's a bitch of an injury to have.

But it's like I said in an earlier post, the same doctors that couldn't seem to fix carter, couldn't help Bargnani last year until it was too late, examined Oneal for 2-3 weeks and found him to be in tip top shape, are the ones giving the ok for Caldron to play with what is most likely a hamstring tear at this point.
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SJ, if he's hurt, and he is, but keep coming back. If it's something he can play through, than he should play through it, and stop being a pussy. If it's serious, why does he keep coming back? Get 100%.

I swear I heard a quote saying that he took that week off before Boston to get 100%. He comes back against Boston, and adios, he's gone again.
Apparently Triano was on the FAN590 this morning admitting that Jose rushed back way too soon and wasn't near 100%. So, with that being said Jose will likely be out for a bit according to Jay.

So, looks like we have no choice but to ride it out with Will and Roko.
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great, perfect. I wish they wpould have sat him for two months.

Besides, aside from a few obvious points, our back ups have done ok.

Hell I even like Roko now, I think with a jumper, he's gonna be deadly
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great, perfect. I wish they wpould have sat him for two months.

Besides, aside from a few obvious points, our back ups have done ok.

Hell I even like Roko now, I think with a jumper, he's gonna be deadly

Totally agree...and i'm pumped it's Rokomon for tonights' game which i'll be at. I want a win
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great, perfect. I wish they wpould have sat him for two months.

Besides, aside from a few obvious points, our back ups have done ok.

Hell I even like Roko now, I think with a jumper, he's gonna be deadly
agreed.

I mentioned this some time ago, but Fernando Torres has being going through the same thing all season long. Just recently they sat him for something like 5weeks.

Sitting Jose for a LONG time is for the best. When he gets back to 100%, then it will make us a lot better. And it will be just when we will need him the most.
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