Is Jose a Better Fit for the Raptors than TJ?
Old 10-29-2008, 11:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Bleacher Report discusses the topic today. I know this been beaten to death, but what do you think on what Robert had to say?

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So ultimately, we have to determine if the Raptors made the right choice by re-signing Calderon and throwing Ford to Indiana.

Can this Raptors team win with Calderon?

Say there was a situation where Toronto could have signed and traded Calderon for a better player than Jermaine O'Neal, perhaps this wing player everyone seems to be wantingówould the Raptors be better off?

I can't say better or worse, because so much of a point guard's success depends on how his teammates react to him on the courtóbut they're certainly less talented. With this current roster, Calderon is a better fit. Any situation which bases itself on the principles of shooting, pick-roll offense, and no perimeter defense is a situation where Calderon becomes a superstar. Can such a team ever win? Not a chance.

Is Ford a Better Basketball Player than Calderon?

I'm going to have to say yes. Outside of shooting and height, Calderon has nothing on Ford from a pure-skills standpoint. Ford is the more creative penetrator, better passer, better athlete, better defender, and overall a more complete NBA player.

That said, there are other factors which come into play which make Calderon a more valuable player for this team or any other. Namely, Calderon is a more durable, mentally-stable point guard. But durability doesn't really come into the equation when we discuss talent.

Would the Raptors have a Better chance at a championship under Ford?

At the end of the day, under Calderon they have no chance. Therefore, any chance is better than none, correct? I'm a believer that eventually, Roko Ukic can give the Raptors what Ford gave them in his better days to some extent, but Ford is ultimately a driven winner.

There are very few players who strive to be NBA greats, and Ford is one of those players who is always driven to be great. If his health holds up, in the right system I have no doubt he'll be a name we'll be talking about for years and years after he leaves the game.
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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BS Jose is a better then TJ
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:30 PM   #3 (permalink)
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He is got a point but it doesn't matter anyway. We have our PG right now and all I can say I hope Roko is going to improve so next year we can have again a great coverage at PG spot. Roko can penetrate and dish the ball to JK/AP in corner or score easy layups. At this moment, Roko is still learning, we can't really compare him with TJ but in time who knows? Good look to TJ, but he is no more a Raptor!
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:35 PM   #4 (permalink)
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He is right though ... overall Ford is the better athlete and basketball player. But is he the better PG? Not really in my opinion. We can argue this till we're blue in the face, but bottom line is that Jose's the better fit both on the court and in the lockeroom for this franchise.
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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lol Ford is only fast. I still remember everytime he drove so fast on fast breaks and couldn't finish it. TJ Ford is just fast that's it and he can drains the mid range jumper when he gets hot. Jose Calderon is better, he's the Tim Duncan of PG.
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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if you enjoy running up the floor at full speed and jacking up bricks then... TJ is god.
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Is Robert related to TJ? I mean.... what the fuck?

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Would the Raptors have a Better chance at a championship under Ford?

At the end of the day, under Calderon they have no chance. Therefore, any chance is better than none, correct? I'm a believer that eventually, Roko Ukic can give the Raptors what Ford gave them in his better days to some extent, but Ford is ultimately a driven winner.

There are very few players who strive to be NBA greats, and Ford is one of those players who is always driven to be great. If his health holds up, in the right system I have no doubt he'll be a name we'll be talking about for years and years after he leaves the game.
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Old 10-30-2008, 12:13 AM   #8 (permalink)
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What has this Robert Seagol been smoking? Ford is fast and a better defender, but that is it. He has no shot and so the opposing defense could cheat on him and play off him so that when he drove they had time to react, they cannot do that with Calderon because he can shoot. Also many times Ford is out of control, tries to take over the game rather than getting his team involved and he turns the ball over a lot more than Calderon. Besides that he is not durable. The past two seasons with Toronto, Ford has spent a significant amount of time on the injured list. I don't wish any bad luck on Ford, but the fact is Jose will probably have a longer career in the NBA than Ford because I don't think his neck is going to last. This guy gives Calderon no respect, it will look good on him when Jose makes the all-star team this year.
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Old 10-30-2008, 12:13 AM   #9 (permalink)
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WTF? This guy is in love with TJ. He's like his #1 fan or something. He's just bashing calderon. They never win a championship under Calderon but they will with a guy who plays 25 games a year and runs up the floor and shoots right away. whatever dude

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Old 10-30-2008, 12:16 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Also why does this guy assume we could sign and trade Jose and get someone better than JO? If ford is so much better than why would Calderon get us a better trade?
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anyone watch the indy game tonight?

tj had 5 assists and 4 turnovers.

jose had 7 assists and 1 turnover.

it'll be like this all season long.
tj is not the pg this team needs.
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anyone watch the indy game tonight?

tj had 5 assists and 4 turnovers.

jose had 7 assists and 1 turnover.

it'll be like this all season long.
tj is not the pg this team needs.
I'm sure TJ will do just fine in Indy..... he's a good player. Just not the second coming of John Stockton like Mr. Seagal suggests.
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Doesn't seem like a completely objective view.

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Outside of shooting and height, Calderon has nothing on Ford from a pure-skills standpoint. Ford is the more creative penetrator, better passer, better athlete, better defender, and overall a more complete NBA player.

That said, there are other factors which come into play which make Calderon a more valuable player for this team or any other. Namely, Calderon is a more durable, mentally-stable point guard. But durability doesn't really come into the equation when we discuss talent.
Calderon is a better passer and decision maker. His +/- smokes TJ's, which is one of the best indications of a player's impact while on the court. Cadleron gets fewer turnovers and more assists. He's also a better finisher than TJ. He shoots his shots in the flow of the offence.

TJ is faster and gets to the basket much easier. He doesn't always finish though. TJ gets his shot off with quickness and athleticism. TJ's a better defender, albeit 4" shorter.

Calderon is a much better fit IMO.
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The one glaring omission in Seagal's argument is that TJ cannot hit a 20 footer with the consistency to keep the defense honest. This is the catalyst for him turning the ball over so much Without a steady jumper then the defense can sag, cutting off passing lanes, hindering the spacing thus hindering the ball movement, thus hindering the offense.

Seagal may think his argument is "hard to kill" and that his word here is "above the law" but his assessment is standing "on deadly ground" "marked for death"...had to be done
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Old 10-30-2008, 04:54 AM   #15 (permalink)
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As good as TJ is, saying that he is a better passer than calde is just ridiculous.
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Old 10-30-2008, 05:23 AM   #16 (permalink)
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TJ BETTER than Jose? TJ WILL never win anything in his career. He's one selfish a**. Look at AI, he's another one who will NEVER win anything. They're the same kind of player, shoot first then look for teammates.
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Old 10-30-2008, 06:21 AM   #17 (permalink)
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But you have to give it it TJ
He was better at creating shots for Moon and Kapono than Calderon
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Old 10-30-2008, 06:49 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Shots don't have to be created so much with this current lineup. To say we have no chance with Jose is ludicrous and destroys any kind of argument that might be there. The bottom line is that they didn't just choose a pg - they constructed a team, and that team certainly has a chance to progress.
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Old 10-30-2008, 08:10 AM   #20 (permalink)
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TJ is a beter sthlete than Stockton, Deron Williams, Andre Miller, Jason Kidd and Nash.......does that mean he is better than them as well..

This Robert guy mustnt do interviews cause I imagine it would be hard to talk with TJ's dick in his mouth
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