Jose being named to All-Star Team gaining momentum
Old 01-26-2008, 12:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This time Marc Stein from ESPN in on board and showing some Calderon love.

Now we can only hope Doc Rivers and his coaching staff are thinking the same thing.

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Guards: Chauncey Billups (Pistons), Jose Calderon (Raptors)

Billups, again, would have been one of my starters had I actually punched a ballot -- ahead of Dwyane Wade because of the depths of Miami's for-the-ages collapse. Then there's Calderon, who probably deserved at least a starter's mention in the last Weekend Dime. He's been even more efficient than the economical Chauncey. How efficient? The Spaniard, not a bad bargain himself at just $2.5 million a season, has averaged 13.8 points, 9.9 assists and just 1.8 turnovers in his 28 starts while shooting 50.7 percent from the floor, 43.4 percent on 3s and 91.2 percent from the line.

All of which helps explain why Toronto hasn't nose-dived without T.J. Ford and why Raps general manager Bryan Colangelo was moved to thank predecessor Rob Babcock on Chad Ford's weekly podcast for bringing Calderon over. Praise for Babcock, remember, is not exactly Toronto tradition.
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Old 01-26-2008, 03:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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general manager Bryan Colangelo was moved to thank predecessor Rob Babcock on Chad Ford's weekly podcast for bringing Calderon over. Praise for Babcock, remember, is not exactly Toronto tradition.
Very classy.

I still maintain that for all of his shortcomings, Babs did a lot more good for this franchise than he did harm.
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Old 01-26-2008, 04:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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He is this 'Babcock' fellow... ?

Sound familiar but my mind cannot remember... is he a friend of "Haffa'...? He is another guy I am having trouble remembering...
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Old 01-26-2008, 06:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Very classy.

I still maintain that for all of his shortcomings, Babs did a lot more good for this franchise than he did harm.
It's funny that lots of us would forget that we can thank Babs for bringing over Jose. I keep on thinking and then realize that BC only came to Toronto last season.
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Old 01-26-2008, 06:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Babcock was faced with a difficult situation with a difficult player, this guy knows how to build good teams. He won executive of the year in NBA the year before he joined the raps, so he was not exactly what you would call a gamble.

I agree that he did more good than harm, Haffa was a mistake everyone knows that, but he took a gamble that year and unfortunate it did not work out, but he surely made up for it when he drafted Charlie V, Joey Graham and signing free agent Jose Calderon
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Old 01-26-2008, 07:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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by far the biggest mistake he made was trading Carter - that was a disqualifying mistake, in drafting there's some gamble element, but the Carter trade was downright stupid. It shows that he doesn't have a single clue.

But even his drafting was atrocious, most moves were failures ranging from minor (villanueva) to major (hoffa). If I'm not mistaken, we could have had Bynum, Granger and Igoudala instead of Hoffa, CV and Graham ... Quite a difference in value I would say.

As far as Jose goes, he was a low-risk, low-expectation contract, I have strong doubts anybody believed Jose would be anywhere as good as he is.
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Old 01-27-2008, 09:25 AM   #7 (permalink)
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by far the biggest mistake he made was trading Carter - that was a disqualifying mistake, in drafting there's some gamble element, but the Carter trade was downright stupid. It shows that he doesn't have a single clue.

But even his drafting was atrocious, most moves were failures ranging from minor (villanueva) to major (hoffa). If I'm not mistaken, we could have had Bynum, Granger and Igoudala instead of Hoffa, CV and Graham ... Quite a difference in value I would say.

As far as Jose goes, he was a low-risk, low-expectation contract, I have strong doubts anybody believed Jose would be anywhere as good as he is.
jerry west thought jose was going to be a player but babcock beat him to him.
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Carter was addition by subtraction. The CV, Graham and Roko draft was pretty good.

Everyone thought he should've drafted Gerald Green. How's that working out? There was also serious doubts about Granger's health and Bynum wouldn't play in Canada.

Everyone jumped on him for not re-signing Donyell Marshall. Kind of looks like a pretty smart decision?
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jerry west thought jose was going to be a player but babcock beat him to him.
right, but if West was unwilling to pay more than 2/yr, I'm pretty sure he didn't see the next steve nash in him ... And even so, most everything else was a disaster, this move alone will not redeem Babcock ...

I can't believe somebody is trying to justify the Carter trade? Addition by substraction, what's that supposed to mean, is it good?
I know there were doubts about Granger, but in turned out to be a better choice. And Bynum? Yi didn't want to play in Milwaukee either, but it seems to be fine now. Bynum wasn't a superstar, he had no choice but to go and play well anywhere, he couldn't have mailed it in like carter.

No, the reality was this: we didn't draft wade because we had vince (even though babcock already knew at the time that Carter wants out). We didn't draft Bynum because we already had Hoffa (babcock biggest draft flop). One mistake triggers another, and in the end it becomes an avalanche.

As for Marshall, nobody in their right mind would sign him (unless they were desperate like the cavs). The biggest knock on Babcock was not trading him at the deadline, and letting him walk away for free. It's not like we were in the hunt for the playoffs (even though we were kind of where philly is now, a slimmer of hope, but nobody in the league believes it will happen).

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Old 01-27-2008, 01:12 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Agree to disagree, but getting Carter out as fast as possible became Babs number one priority. The guy was a huge distraction and a massive cancer...much like he has or is about to become again in New Jersey.

Babcock got here two weeks before the draft. There's a reason Haffa was selected and that Grunwald predicted on The Score before the draft that they would select him.

It's also not like he drafted the likes of Alex Radojevic in front of Maggette, Artest, Posey or Kirilenko or drafted Michael Bradley in front of Gilbert Arenas, Gerrald Wallace, Sam Dalembert, Brendan Haywood, Jamal Tinsley and Tony Parker. And he could've took Chris Jefferies instead of Tayshaun Prince, Nenad Krstic, John Salmons, Carlos Boozer or Matt Barnes. Three guys that are no longer in the league that didn't even play any meaningful minutes when they were in it and a ton of players that would've seriously helped in positions of need over the years.

Hey while we're at it, why didn't we have a number one this year? Did Babcock trade Yogi's shorter contract and a number 1 pick for Lammond Murray and his longer contract?

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Acie i'm with you. Carter had given up on the franchise... Mitchell recently revealed conversations with Wince to that specific effect..the league knew it and his value was down. He was a cancer that was keeping Bosh from blossoming...he had to go.

Babcock was not ready to be a GM but he did make some good decisions and started the team on a path towards something better....he brough character to the team and unloaded some of the attitude and prima donna crap we had to put up with for years. I for one am greatful.
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Hoops Lab: Boiling Calderon

By Andre' Snellings
January 25, 2008

Jose Calderon is really, really good.

I know that might not seem like breaking news to those of you aware that he is the No. 3 overall point guard by Yahoo! ranking over the last month and that he is averaging 13.4 points and 9.7 assists since he took over the starting job for the injured T.J. Ford. But there's a line that differentiates between "good fantasy producer" and "great player," and after really watching him play, Calderon obliterates that line. Calderon is "should be mentioned among the next great point guards in the NBA" good. Calderon is "realistically talked about in same breath as 2005 classmates Chris Paul and Deron Williams" good. I knew that Calderon was putting up good numbers, but I had no idea that he really could develop into the Steve Nash analog that former Suns exec and current Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo's needed to fully run the Phoenix system in Toronto.

So, what makes Calderon so good? First of all, he can get anywhere on the court off the dribble. I watched him absolutely destroy Rajon Rondo off the dribble Wednesday night. Consistently. On pretty much every possession. Rondo is an athletic guard who is reputed to be a solid defender, but Calderon simply went by him at will all night. It got to the point that Calderon didn't even require a pick, he just moved past Rondo and into the lane whenever he wanted to. That penetration ability is key in a great point guard.

Second, Calderon is a true point guard that has great court vision and awareness, in addition to outstanding passing ability. As he broke the Celtics defense down, he consistently made the right pass. Often this was a direct pass to the open shooter that was rotated off by the defense, but in cases when a direct assist wasn't there he still made the correct pass that led to the direct assist. If the NBA counted assists the way that hockey does, Calderon might have had 25 or 30 assists on Wednesday.

Third, Calderon can shoot and isn't afraid to take the big shot. He shoots 51 percent from the field, 42 percent from 3-point range, and 91 percent from the line. You want to take a wild guess who the only other 50/40/90 guy is in the NBA? I'll give you a hint, he's finished in the top-2 in the NBA MVP vote for three straight years. And not only do Calderon's percentages mimic Nash, but so does his poise with the game on the line. During crunch time Wednesday night Calderon drained treys, free throws, and the game-winning driving lay-up (plus the foul) without breaking a sweat.

Bottom line: I thought that Calderon was just keeping the Raptors' point guard seat warm until Ford returned from injury. But now after really paying attention to Calderon's game, I understand why Raptors head coach Sam Mitchell said on Tuesday that Ford won't start upon his return and that he may not start for the rest of the season. With a third-year player blossoming the way that Calderon has, Mitchell almost has no choice but to keep riding with him. This is great news for Calderon's fantasy owners, and could be good news for the NBA as a whole because the league can always use another great floor general.

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all this publicity is fine and dandy..
and totally deserved by Jose's performance this year.

Nevertheless, it does make me a little concerned with the suitors that will be coming this offseason.

Now i know BC has pretty much said that Jose will be in Toronto long term... i just hope that remains to be the case.
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He can average 20 and 20, and arenas will still be the #1 pg in free agency. Then you have brand, and a large number of other high-profile free agents. I just don't see anybody with lots of cap space making Jose their top target this summer. Which means we can't lose him, and I'm sure Bryan will not cheat on him just because he can - Jose will get decent money, in the TJ's salary range.
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all this publicity is fine and dandy..
and totally deserved by Jose's performance this year.

Nevertheless, it does make me a little concerned with the suitors that will be coming this offseason.

Now i know BC has pretty much said that Jose will be in Toronto long term... i just hope that remains to be the case.
I read that no many teams could throw more than the mid level exception (5.5 millions, isn't it?).
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right, there will be very few teams with cap-space, and there are plenty of other targets on the market. It's quite possible to have people like Arenas, Brand, Okafor, Deng, Igoudala, Gordon, Jamison, Marion available for the highest bidder - Calderon will probably be safe, especially that he's restricted, and Bryan made it clear he will match anything.
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