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Old 12-17-2012, 09:10 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I don't think we've been too easy, it's just the Raps have much bigger concerns atm.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:11 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I can easily live with his defensive lapses because he improves upon them. You mention Chris Kaman, man, that guy is a legit C who's been playing in this league for a few years and has the respect of refs. He's 20! Take into consideration everything that the kid is facing and I think it's pretty evident that's he performing RIGHT at expectations.

As for someone saying he's not going to be an All-Star, again, that's such an easy thing to say. I can say that about any player coming into the league. And if you are sure of it, can you predict the next lottery for me as well? I would love to have those powers to see the future.

And if I read Andre Drummond's name one more time in relation to the Raptors, I think I may just scream.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:24 AM   #43 (permalink)
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I think its hard too for Val to expirience a team like the raptors, with no gameplan and with all the struggles going on.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:32 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Way to early to start making predictions ...
He is a good kid and willing to work his butt off ... great attitude ... team player ...
He will only get better ... He has hit the rookie wall ... no surprise
I feel like we should have some plays for the kid ... he works hard and frankly it gets embarrassing when we rarely see him on the offensive end. Hope that as he starts to get his legs again, Casey and the team start to find him down low.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:45 AM   #45 (permalink)
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I would personally bet pretty strongly, that if the Raptors had a whip their dick out position to get Harden, they could've done it. Valanciunas and Ross for Harden would've been perfect trade for Thunder's needs post Harden (C and SG).

Would've left the Raptors barren but Harden is a 25/5/5 SG... maybe a future MVP contender... taking the superstar and figuring out the rest later is prob the best move
That worked out well with Bosh and Carter huh? Let's not forget that we would've needed to still sign him to an extension.

So, let's give up Val, Ross, Jose and they're likely be another asset dealt for Harden. If Harden doesn't resign here (I know he's restricted still....) what does that do for us? I like Harden a lot too, but he's quickly gone from underrated to way way overrated.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:48 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Just read two interviews, with Sabonis and Kazlauskas. One of them thinks there's too little pick and roll on this team, and both said it seemed that JV's role is only to set screens and there are little plays for him.
Yep, and when they do utilize the pick and roll, JV is essentially looked off. The setting of the screens is also accurate. Feed the ball down low and see what you get. We've been a perimeter team for so long that I think we've forgotten how to use all five guys.
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:04 PM   #47 (permalink)
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I, too, have noticed that Jonas rarely if ever gets the ball despite calling for it when he rolls to the rim. If it's a matter of trust from teammates, that sucks; I'd rather feed him the ball and see what happens, even if he gets stripped or gets bodied up.

He needs to learn and he can only learn by doing. Especially given the state of the season so far, there is no sense in not giving him a few touches on the PnR to help him figure it out.
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:16 PM   #48 (permalink)
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this is not about JV's potential, that's a different discussion. Right now, JV is horrible and he's absolutely killing us defensively and offensively. He should have been benched a long time ago and his minutes reduced. I'd rather see a productive 15mpg against bench centers and that should be better for his development too. I fail to see how getting killed night in and out is helping JV - it's just destroying his confidence.
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:40 PM   #49 (permalink)
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this is not about JV's potential, that's a different discussion. Right now, JV is horrible and he's absolutely killing us defensively and offensively. He should have been benched a long time ago and his minutes reduced. I'd rather see a productive 15mpg against bench centers and that should be better for his development too. I fail to see how getting killed night in and out is helping JV - it's just destroying his confidence.
tim duncan begs to disagree...
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:44 PM   #50 (permalink)
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I didn't read the wall of text, but nobody expected JV to be the messiah anyways
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:53 PM   #51 (permalink)
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tim duncan begs to disagree...
I fail to see the comparison at this stage of JV's development.
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this is not about JV's potential, that's a different discussion. Right now, JV is horrible and he's absolutely killing us defensively and offensively. He should have been benched a long time ago and his minutes reduced. I'd rather see a productive 15mpg against bench centers and that should be better for his development too. I fail to see how getting killed night in and out is helping JV - it's just destroying his confidence.
You mention horrible. You're either exaggerating for effect (and then bravo!) or we're watching two separate guys.

JV is below adequate right now. However, he's providing us more than Gray. We're not a championship/playoff squad. We're not. Therefore, you give the guy burn because he's part of that core that's been identified.

And trust me, if you've played any sport, playing against better competition does not destroy your confidence. Missing open jumpers, missing lay ups, missing dunks, that destroys confidence. Getting 'killed' just shows you how much harder you have to work.
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I fail to see the comparison at this stage of JV's development.
I think he was speaking to how JV handled playing against TD.
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I fail to see the comparison at this stage of JV's development.
he had a monster game, one of more than a few he's had, against a future hall of famer who's still one of the game's best big men. moremilk was making it seem like the kid's been consistently terrible. he's never been terrible. he's been average some games due to multiple reasons, and he's had some great games too, which I allotted to. hope that clears things up
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:03 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Opposing teams looking for our team's weaknesses. And they often see the weakest link in Valanciunas. Then they set play against Valanciunas in hope he will make mistakes or foul.
That example when Kaman dropped 9 in first and 6 in rest, just shows that they changed tactics, when Valanciunas was out. He needs more support, help from other players, not to be bench after first mistake.
And to have true picture should be counted not just points, but points and attempts.
Lots of people agree that Valanciunas play strongest in P&R, not in defence or distance jump shots. But he has't got chance to play P&R yet.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:06 PM   #56 (permalink)
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JV is a keeper....he will be a top 5 centre in the NBA in a few years.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:10 PM   #57 (permalink)
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He's 2 months into his rookie season...


It's too early to judge either way.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:14 PM   #58 (permalink)
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what has JV done wrong so far?
the guy has shown the ability to stay on the court the majority of time compared to a lot of rookie bigs who tend to get into foul trouble fast
the guy is showing a decent mid range open jumper, has a soft touch inside and wants to tear down the rim any chance he gets
the only "complaints" i possibly have are his inability to grab the ball clearly on rebounds and instead bobbles it around a lot, but that's no different than the rest of the bigs on his team, and his D can improve, and he has a knack of trying to take the shot when he has the ball, but all these "complaints" aren't due to a lack of skill but due to being a rookie and not being used to the NBA, once he catches on completely to the level of play it'll all come together
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:12 AM   #60 (permalink)
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[quote=Claudius;723342]I can easily live with his defensive lapses because he improves upon them. You mention Chris Kaman, man, that guy is a legit C who's been playing in this league for a few years and has the respect of refs. He's 20! Take into consideration everything that the kid is facing and I think it's pretty evident that's he performing RIGHT at expectations.

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And if I read Andre Drummond's name one more time in relation to the Raptors, I think I may just scream.[/QUOTE]

Drummond > Every single player on the current Raptor roster
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