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Old 04-08-2014, 06:57 PM   #221 (permalink)
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Where did i evade anything?

You don't see how they could make a connection? They arrive and ask to speak to the owner of the vehicle. They ask him whether he has been driving that vehicle, and if so when. They ask him if he's had anything to drink since arriving. If he hasn't, they ask if he's had anything to drink prior to arriving. If he or the resident of the house say that he has been drinking since arriving, they ask what. They inform him of the call that suggested that he was driving with open containers of beer. Now maybe before they even come to the door they check the vehicle and see the empties. Also, we are not talking about a big town here. Chances are there was not a lot of time elapsed between the call coming in and when a patrol car came across the vehicle. Chances are Jonas told them he had just arrived.

Sure he is innocent at the moment in legal terms, but what is your point exactly? He clearly is remorseful and apologetic, and accepts responsibility. And considering all that, do you not think there is a good chance that he will face some legal repercussions, and that he in fact should face some legal repercussions?
if he committed the crime, then yes, he should face legal repercussions. that's the basis for the whole system.

is it not possible he's remorseful and apologetic for leaving open beer cans in his car while driving? Why do you jump to the worst conclusion, i.e DUI?

I'm not saying he's necessarily innocent and that the cops are out to get him. not at all. I'm saying we don't know the facts of the story, and until we do, or a verdict is reached, we're all reaching at straws, and condemning a man for allegedly doing something. that's the part that's wrong.

Also, to make an arrest, or a charge, you don't need nearly as much proof as those questions would have gotten you. Now correct me if i'm wrong (because here I really don't know) but can't jonas just refuse to answer the questions? He has a right to remain silent, doesn't he? Now I understand this may only apply after an arrest, which is why I'm saying correct me if i'm wrong.
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if he committed the crime, then yes, he should face legal repercussions. that's the basis for the whole system.

is it not possible he's remorseful and apologetic for leaving open beer cans in his car while driving? Why do you jump to the worst conclusion, i.e DUI?

I'm not saying he's necessarily innocent and that the cops are out to get him. not at all. I'm saying we don't know the facts of the story, and until we do, or a verdict is reached, we're all reaching at straws, and condemning a man for allegedly doing something. that's the part that's wrong.

Also, to make an arrest, or a charge, you don't need nearly as much proof as those questions would have gotten you. Now correct me if i'm wrong (because here I really don't know) but can't jonas just refuse to answer the questions? He has a right to remain silent, doesn't he? Now I understand this may only apply after an arrest, which is why I'm saying correct me if i'm wrong.
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There's a lot of banging here on Jonas for doing something stupid, as there should be.

So far, he's been charged, but he has not had his day in court yet, and until he has and the process unwinds, his guilt at this time only goes to the point of being really dumb. If his day in court finds him guilty, he'll accept the punishment that society/the NBA requires from him and move on. If he's found not guilty, he'll still have that shadow following him around, but not a conviction on his record. In fact, he'll have the shadow with either result.

But a part of the banging on Jonas is masking fans anxiety, that after the long playoff drought, on the cusp of what could be a fun journey rewarding fans for their long suffering in the hinterlands, there's discomfort, uneasiness, concern and frustration that this might deprive us of what we have all looked forward to experiencing again.

Jonas has enough to deal with, in the courts, with team-mates/management and public perception, so let's allow the process to carry on, and we can bang on him for being stupid, but the Raptors aren't a one man team and the his team-mates are closing ranks around him, so can we leave the other stuff aside and get ready for the post-season?

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Old 04-08-2014, 09:17 PM   #230 (permalink)
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I think it's going to be extremely tough to convict DUI in this case, at best they can get away with driving with open alcohol containers or whatever the terminology is.

His lawyers can easily argue that he only started drinking after getting home and that the beer bottles didn't belong to him. Unless he comes clean and confesses, they can't prove he was actually drinking and driving.

while VERY likely he had been drinking, the presumption of innocence still applies, one would think.
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There's a lot of banging here on Jonas for doing something stupid, as there should be.

So far, he's been charged, but he has not had his day in court yet, and until he has and the process unwinds, his guilt at this time only goes to the point of being really dumb. If his day in court finds him guilty, he'll accept the punishment that society/the NBA requires from him and move on. If he's found not guilty, he'll still have that shadow following him around, but not a conviction on his record. In fact, he'll have the shadow with either result.

But a part of the banging on Jonas is masking fans anxiety, that after the long playoff drought, on the cusp of what could be a fun journey rewarding fans for their long suffering in the hinterlands, there's discomfort, uneasiness, concern and frustration that this might deprive us of what we have all looked forward to experiencing again.

Jonas has enough to deal with, in the courts, with team-mates/management and public perception, so let's allow the process to carry on, and we can bang on him for being stupid, but the Raptors aren't a one man team and the his team-mates are closing ranks around him, so can we leave the other stuff aside and get ready for the post-season?

Nothing worth having ever comes easy.
yeah, I agree - while I understand that for many drinking and driving is personal and carries a lot of emotional weight - come on, a 21 year old having a couple beers and driving is very common. Not excusable, of course, but not the most heinous of crimes either.

After all, it appears that distracted driving is worse than drunk driving - and somehow I doubt people would call his behaviour "horrible" if he was caught texting... Our own (technically not 'our' since I'm from markham) mayor was caught more than once in this situation and nearly half the people in Toronto would still vote for him.
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I think it's going to be extremely tough to convict DUI in this case, at best they can get away with driving with open alcohol containers or whatever the terminology is.

His lawyers can easily argue that he only started drinking after getting home and that the beer bottles didn't belong to him. Unless he comes clean and confesses, they can't prove he was actually drinking and driving.

while VERY likely he had been drinking, the presumption of innocence still applies, one would think.
If he said he just arrived, and had not been drinking then there is no argument to make. If he did drink after arriving, then of course the whole case against him turns into the open cans or bottles and nothing more. I wonder what the difference is between driving after drinking and drinking while driving in terms of how he would be effected crossing the border and such.
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If he said he just arrived, and had not been drinking then there is no argument to make. If he did drink after arriving, then of course the whole case against him turns into the open cans or bottles and nothing more. I wonder what the difference is between driving after drinking and drinking while driving in terms of how he would be effected crossing the border and such.


If Kidd and Budenholzer who both were convicted on this and don't have a problem, why would Jonas. He's not Dante Cunningham. That's a stretch.
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If Kidd and Budenholzer who both were convicted on this and don't have a problem, why would Jonas. He's not Dante Cunningham. That's a stretch.
They would need to have gotten temporary resident permits as waivers. Such is the case with George Bush. It's not that he would have a problem. It would be an issue that would require paperwork and attention though.
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They would need to have gotten temporary resident permits as waivers. Such is the case with George Bush. It's not that he would have a problem. It would be an issue that would require paperwork and attention though.
Well thank heavens we didn't do that with Hamid Haddadi. It's a non-issue then.
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Well thank heavens we didn't do that with Hamid Haddadi. It's a non-issue then.
I have no idea what you're talking about. He couldn't get a work permit due to Canada's refusal to deal with Iran.
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We're up 2 games with 5 left and we have the tie breaker. I hardly think this means anything. The only way we don't win the division is if we have an epic collapse.
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