Joey and Jamario thing E from my point of view
Old 10-22-2008, 12:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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OK, so this is the way I see it.

You got a player, coming off a decent rookie campaign, playing his last year on a contract that makes him still less than a million dollars.

and another player who is known for being a bust, with some flashes of great basketball.

the sophomore comes to camp late, looks like nothing has changed, not bigger, not faster, not a better shooter.

the soph comes, more cut, playing hungry and killing it on the court.

you HAVE to start Joey, not cause Joey is playing better, but because of the principal of coaching. Jamario needs to understand that he slacked off, he was a starter and now he isn't and its all his fault.

I think Joey will pan out. He has to.
In terms of confidence, he is playing more assured than ever, and maybe thats all he needs
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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frankly I don't think it matters, they both suck and Jamario's strengths are no longer as critical, as long as we have O'Neal. All in all, we'd probably be better with Joey at this stage, because he's stronger and almost as athletic as Jamario. And his jumper is miles ahead of Jamario's.
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I sort of agree with you. Fact is, for what the position demands, joey has shown more this pre-season than Jamario. He's been hungrier like you say. Where as Jamario hasn't impressed thus far (and i'm not counting the training camp lateness - because he wasn't actually late) However, what's Sam supposed to do? I think he's doing the right thing by boosting Joey's minutes this pre-season and showing some faith. It will only bring positives to Graham's game.

at the same time, i'm not counting out Jamario. I still think he's going to be a solid contributor. I do think he worked hard in the offseason (contrary to what you say) and i think he'll get his fair share of minutes in the early games.

Personally, i like Sam's clean slate approach to let the players battle it out for the roles. I guess we'll see how they respond when the games mean something.
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You play the guy who will win you the most games. If it's Jamario then so be it. But that's really, all that matters.

If we wanted to "send a message" by sitting players down for showing up late or whatever, Dennis Rodman would've never played a minute, neither would have A.I. As long as you're contributing to the end result, i.e. winning, then it doesn't really matter.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:43 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Claudius,

Except that Rodman was the greatest rebounder od all time. Moon, he's just ok.

I'm just tickled pink that in all this talk, Kapono is left out. Anyone else see how TERRIBLE he has been this year. Atrocious.

Side note.... The Birdman is looking like a great gamble for the Nuggets, I was personally hoping Toronto would sign the guy, but they didn't. He's a great addition.
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You play the guy who will win you the most games. If it's Jamario then so be it. But that's really, all that matters.

If we wanted to "send a message" by sitting players down for showing up late or whatever, Dennis Rodman would've never played a minute, neither would have A.I. As long as you're contributing to the end result, i.e. winning, then it doesn't really matter.
Yeah, but Rodman and AI bring it on the court. Come on, C, you know we're only talking about "practice".

Because Moon hasn't gotten back his feel yet, I think either Joey or JK should start. Personally, I like JK. You need your shooters out there.

Joey has had so many oppourtunities and he hasn't been able to do anything - he was the starter when he first came here and he was the starter in the playoffs a few years back when Garbo went down. He has to know that this is the last year of his contract and he's gotta come out of the gate with some strong performances.
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But guess what, at that position, neither of those players are bringing it. I took those as examples only and really, take the underlying message, they made their teams win.

I'm not saying Moon or Graham are Rodman or AI, but what I am saying is that when I frankly don't care who starts, as long as they help us win the game in the end. If one's doggin' it in practice, but helps us in facets we need during the game or when he starts, then so be it. Honestly, all I care about is winning.
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Old 10-22-2008, 02:23 PM   #8 (permalink)
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as long as Kapono sits, I don't care.
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If a pylon did a better job then all three, I'd argue to start the damn pylon.
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Old 10-22-2008, 02:44 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Its disgraceful that Jamario came back no better (and arguably worse) than last year. This guy slaved away his career in crappy leagues, he is one of the few of probably thousands of guys like him who actually break out, then he takes the summer off right when he is on the cusp of establishing himself in the NBA? He must have no brain.
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People have no way of noing what he did in the offseason.

Most make it sound as though he sat around watching the Hills or something but Jamario has said himself that he took 2 weeks off, went on a trip wit his wife(could probably never afford to do that before), worked with kids for a little while and spent the rest of the summer working on all aspects of his game, including a couple weeks with Mike Evans.
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Old 10-22-2008, 03:49 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Snoochie, he doesn't look better.

Whatever he did, or didn't, wasn't effective enough. Simple as that. Bosh looks better, Joey looks better, AB looks better, Hump looks better. JO looks better (he can walk). See the trend here? Whatever Jamario did, it didn't work. Nothing has changed. Nothing.
Still takes bad shots, still makes bad mistakes, still looks raw.

And Kapono shouldn't be allowed to dribble the ball. EVER.
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Old 10-22-2008, 03:53 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Snoochie, he doesn't look better.

Whatever he did, or didn't, wasn't effective enough. Simple as that. Bosh looks better, Joey looks better, AB looks better, Hump looks better. JO looks better (he can walk). See the trend here? Whatever Jamario did, it didn't work. Nothing has changed. Nothing.
Still takes bad shots, still makes bad mistakes, still looks raw.

And Kapono shouldn't be allowed to dribble the ball. EVER.
I agree that he doesnt look better AT ALL. But for people to imply he didnt work over the summer is unfair. For all anyone knows he spent the summer learning to shoot and dribble but at 28 years of age, after playing basketball for probably 20 years, 6 weeks of practice isnt going to make a difference in regards to learning how to do something.

What we saw last season is all we are going to get from him, unfortunately.
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Old 10-22-2008, 05:22 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Side note.... The Birdman is looking like a great gamble for the Nuggets, I was personally hoping Toronto would sign the guy, but they didn't. He's a great addition.
not so sure, I can't imagine what will happen when him with JR, AI and Carmelo will hit the town on those long road trips, but if they go through this season without a major scandal it would to be a miracle ....
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I'd start Joey at this point over JK. Jamario will learn not to slack off and soon we'll see who is better, after a while that is
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Old 10-22-2008, 05:30 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Watching Kapono get absolutely destroyed last night was enough for me. I lik ehe can shoot, big whoop, the guy isn't even doing that well, not any better than ANY of the guys he covers.
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Can we please not judge so much on preseason? Jamario proved last year he deserved to be in the starting lineup much more than Joey... I think at the end of last year Moon was one of the players we were most satisfied with. He was a solid defender and was starting to learn when to take his shots, his % in the last couple months was fine. Give it 15 games, if Joey wants to take the starting role, then let him shine off the bench for a bit and prove it. Right now the evidence still tells me Moon would be the better choice.

And I hate Kapono
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Old 10-23-2008, 03:30 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I don't understand where did you see that Joey is spectacular and Moon is crap?

Joey is just a bit better and his best strength is still his strength :P - putting body on people. No miracle has happened.

Whereas Moon still does his thing on defense, steals, blocks, rebounds. He now scored quite a few offensive boards too! Did you see those tap-outs in Denver game? Its not his fault he got posterized or that Melo makes shots over his arms.
The shooting slump will be over in no time. Its in his head and it can be fixed.

Oh, and Kapono is just trying to do too much. Media hyped him for Orlando games, well, he thinks hes a regular star now. Trying to create off the dribble and all. Did you see his wonderful passing? Mostly going to other team for fast breaks.
Should stick to spot up shooting.

Btw Adams. Best finishing ability at the hoop, good defense (when he got a hang of things, sticks to opponents) and passing. Man wants to get assists. He is Moon of this season and should be Moons backup over Joey.
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