Joey Graham's 4th Annual Good Game

Windex · 11-27-2008, 09:15 AM

As you know Graham had a good game (17 points, 6 rebounds), but we've seen this movie every year. Do you think this is the year he finally breaks out and gets some minutes?

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At the risk of pouring cold water on Joey Graham’s 4th Annual Good Game, let’s analyze a moment from last night’s win over the Bobcats that typifies what ails Toronto’s .500 hoopsters

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/544397

Edit: Please give credit where credit is due. Dave Feschuck had this title originally in his article this morning

Acie · 11-27-2008, 09:20 AM

Joey played plenty the first two years of his career.

If he can break through the obvious mental barrier that prevents him from playing consistently the way he did last night (which I think he will), he will get lots of minutes.

Especially since Moon is more and more looking like a lost cause and a guy just happy to be here.

**fancylad** · 11-27-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TO2988

Do you think this is the year he finally breaks out and gets some minutes?

A large part of that is not his call.

do i think he deserves to get extra minutes? YES.
Do i think he has more to offer this team than some players who are seeing a lot of playing time? HELL YES.

Sick, Wicked and Nasty! · 11-27-2008, 09:36 AM

As to the breaking out question... keep in mind we played Charlotte last night. nuff said.

**fancylad** · 11-27-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sick, Wicked and Nasty!

As to the breaking out question... keep in mind we played Charlotte last night. nuff said.

I don't think anyone's expecting him to "break out" so to speak . I know i'm not. I do think he can be a solid contributor who will bother the opposition and do the things this team NEEDS. He did that against boston earlier and they sure as hell ain't charlotte.

Dude needs to get minutes. every game. and he needs Sam to let him play through his mistakes, unless of course everything goes wrong for him on some nights.

Quad Core · 11-27-2008, 11:45 AM

this is most likely joeys one good game a season quota filler.

**INSIDER** · 11-27-2008, 11:54 AM

Joey Graham is dead to me.

**Dino Blogger** · 11-27-2008, 11:54 AM

I can't stand feschuk but that is Funny I got to give credit.

**Claudius** · 11-27-2008, 11:55 AM

Joey's played well all season long. Sam just doesn't play him. Watch the games he's in this year compared to last year and he doesn't make the same mistakes he usually does. Hell, I'm curious as to why he hasn't put him out there more often this season.

Superjudge · 11-27-2008, 12:00 PM

Maybe they are trying to get somone to over pay for Moon.

TORaptor4Ever · 11-27-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fancylad

I don't think anyone's expecting him to "break out" so to speak . I know i'm not. I do think he can be a solid contributor who will bother the opposition and do the things this team NEEDS. He did that against boston earlier and they sure as hell ain't charlotte.

Dude needs to get minutes. every game. and he needs Sam to let him play through his mistakes, unless of course everything goes wrong for him on some nights.

+1

Part of the reason why Bargs has developed is that he was ALLOWED to fuck up without the fear of being yanked every 2 secs.

This is part of the reason that barely anyone on our team (outside of our stars) has any real trade value.

griffthecat · 11-27-2008, 12:41 PM

The Raptors need an athletic wing... hmmm? Isn't there a guy like that on the bench?

Sam Mitchell has become a horrendous coach. Instead of putting the so called "best player in practice" on the court to work out the kinks and obvious performance anxiety he sits joey night after night. Bargs has the same issues, but he gets a chance to work through them.

Moon is limited. Joey needs consistent minutes. The end.

**Dino Blogger** · 11-27-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever

+1

Part of the reason why Bargs has developed is that he was ALLOWED to fuck up without the fear of being yanked every 2 secs.

This is part of the reason that barely anyone on our team (outside of our stars) has any real trade value.

Well if Joey was a 1st overall pick I am sure he would get a longer run too. But this is year 4 and we have had the same debates over and over about Joey. He has a good game or does anything positive and everyone hopes back on the Joey Bandwagon but come on I have seen this movie far to many times I am well aware of how it ends as should everyone else be.

Acie · 11-27-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever

+1

Part of the reason why Bargs has developed is that he was ALLOWED to fuck up without the fear of being yanked every 2 secs.

This is part of the reason that barely anyone on our team (outside of our stars) has any real trade value.

Do me a favour...please find one person other than yourself who thinks Bargs has had a long leash.

TORaptor4Ever · 11-27-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Acie

Do me a favour...please find one person other than yourself who thinks Bargs has had a long leash.

Are you kidding me? I mean really?

Acie · 11-27-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever

Are you kidding me? I mean really?

No, I'm not.

TORaptor4Ever · 11-27-2008, 12:56 PM

You're telling me that you don't recall DOZENS of games in Bargs' first 2 season where he did next to NOTHING on the court yet still got time? Eventually Sam finally sat him some and played Rasho, but before that? C'mon... he was coddled more than any other struggling player I've seen in a Raps uni.

**INSIDER** · 11-27-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge

Maybe they are trying to get somone to over pay for Moon.

maybe they're trying to showcase him to possible suitors around the league

LX · 11-27-2008, 12:58 PM

At what point do you realize that WYSIWYG? Joey isn't making the same mistakes? Hmmm...that was him with the same usual offensive foul last night - in a good game - wasn't it?

Joey has had stretches where he's played well and been given the chance to play. Sam fucking well started him in the playoffs two years ago. What exactly is the whining about him not getting his chance all about? Now he has earned another chance, and yes it has taken him a little longer to earn that chance this time around. How many times does somebody get to blow their chances? Well, let's hope he finds what he's always been missing - consistency. Otherwise there's no point in fretting over him one way or another.

Acie · 11-27-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever

You're telling me that you don't recall DOZENS of games in Bargs' first 2 season where he did next to NOTHING on the court yet still got time? Eventually Sam finally sat him some and played Rasho, but before that? C'mon... he was coddled more than any other struggling player I've seen in a Raps uni.

Find me one person.

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Acie landry fields forever Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Living in a van down by the river Posts: 19,088 Representing:	Joey played plenty the first two years of his career. If he can break through the obvious mental barrier that prevents him from playing consistently the way he did last night (which I think he will), he will get lots of minutes. Especially since Moon is more and more looking like a lost cause and a guy just happy to be here.

11-27-2008, 09:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
Sick, Wicked and Nasty! adoring his baby girl. Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Canada eh? Posts: 3,278 Representing:	As to the breaking out question... keep in mind we played Charlotte last night. nuff said.

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Quad Core is pounding the rock! Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 436 Representing:	this is most likely joeys one good game a season quota filler.

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Claudius contemplating The Killing Joke Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Burkina Faso, Disputed Zone Posts: 9,075 Representing:	Joey's played well all season long. Sam just doesn't play him. Watch the games he's in this year compared to last year and he doesn't make the same mistakes he usually does. Hell, I'm curious as to why he hasn't put him out there more often this season.

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Superjudge is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17,371 Representing:	Maybe they are trying to get somone to over pay for Moon.

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griffthecat is pounding the rock! Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: toronto Posts: 240 Representing:	The Raptors need an athletic wing... hmmm? Isn't there a guy like that on the bench? Sam Mitchell has become a horrendous coach. Instead of putting the so called "best player in practice" on the court to work out the kinks and obvious performance anxiety he sits joey night after night. Bargs has the same issues, but he gets a chance to work through them. Moon is limited. Joey needs consistent minutes. The end.

11-27-2008, 12:56 PM	#17 (permalink)
TORaptor4Ever "Fake All-Star" Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 16,433 Representing:	You're telling me that you don't recall DOZENS of games in Bargs' first 2 season where he did next to NOTHING on the court yet still got time? Eventually Sam finally sat him some and played Rasho, but before that? C'mon... he was coddled more than any other struggling player I've seen in a Raps uni.

11-27-2008, 12:58 PM	#19 (permalink)
LX effin' ineffable In the Paint Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 30,070 Representing:	At what point do you realize that WYSIWYG? Joey isn't making the same mistakes? Hmmm...that was him with the same usual offensive foul last night - in a good game - wasn't it? Joey has had stretches where he's played well and been given the chance to play. Sam fucking well started him in the playoffs two years ago. What exactly is the whining about him not getting his chance all about? Now he has earned another chance, and yes it has taken him a little longer to earn that chance this time around. How many times does somebody get to blow their chances? Well, let's hope he finds what he's always been missing - consistency. Otherwise there's no point in fretting over him one way or another.