Joey as the 4th big?
Old 10-22-2008, 09:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I know, I know, but hear me out.

I've been thinking about it for a while now, Joey played PF in college and he is more naturally suited to play at that position. He is as strong as hell and athletic enough to make up for lack of height.(although Millsap is only 1 inch taller)

I think if he was used at PF it would put him in a position to succeed. Not many players could really overpower him on his defensive assignments and on offense he could play more on the perimeter and would have speed over anyone guarding him.

The biggest plus to using Joey in this manner would allow for Hump to become expendable, and coupled with a future pick, may be able to bring back some help on the wing.

Am I out to lunch, or on to something?

Or both.......
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Graham is Corliss Williamson Redux, only more athletic and way dumber.

Same height, same tweener qualities (short four who can't really play 3), so your idea is not that far-fetched. I'd have given it a shot during pre-season... hmm.. wait... it's over...
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:15 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Graham is Corliss Williamson Redux, only more athletic and way dumber.

Same height, same tweener qualities (short four who can't really play 3), so your idea is not that far-fetched. I'd have given it a shot during pre-season... hmm.. wait... it's over...
Mitcvhell is willing to put a 7 footer at small forward but isnt willing to gamble on putting someone in their natural position.
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:18 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Just so you know Joey has spent ample time playing the four in the past.

How often did Bargs play SF in the preseason?
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:26 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Just so you know Joey has spent ample time playing the four in the past.

How often did Bargs play SF in the preseason?
Well maybe Im just an idiot, but I really dont remember Joey playing much at PF...

Bargs didnt play SF very much in preseason, but I was refering more to playoffs.
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Joey was also a PF in college.
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Old 10-22-2008, 12:55 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I think the idea is to play Andreea as a backup PF, so not sure how Joey fits in those plans.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:01 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I think the idea is to play Andreea as a backup PF, so not sure how Joey fits in those plans.
Drea is the first Big off the bench, being more than likely at center for JO and taking the PF spot when Bosh is on the bench.

Joey would just be the fourth big with one of either Bosh, JO or Bargs being the center at that time.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:38 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Joey played a huge amount of PF when Garbajosa went down, and he did so last season some as well when Bosh was injured.
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If only there was a bench-press component to the nba game, joey would rule!
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Old 10-22-2008, 02:21 PM   #11 (permalink)
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If Joey Graham is more then a bench warmer/water boy and is considered to play significant minutes or god forbid start, this team is in trouble!
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Old 10-22-2008, 02:33 PM   #12 (permalink)
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If Joey Graham is more then a bench warmer/water boy and is considered to play significant minutes or god forbid start, this team is in trouble!
Why? Please qualify that statement.
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Why? Please qualify that statement.
He isn't very good? :grumpy:
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Old 10-22-2008, 02:46 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Why? Please qualify that statement.
He sucks ass and shouldn't get many minutes.
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Old 10-22-2008, 03:07 PM   #15 (permalink)
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He sucks ass and shouldn't get many minutes.
I wouldnt say hes horrible, hes just not being pt into a situation where he has the opportunity to succeed.

He was a concesus lottery pick before being drafted.
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Graham began his career as a PF at Central Florida, before transferring to Oklahoma State for his final two seasons. Despite his athleticism and perimeter shooting, Graham is clearly still a developing wing, and nearly all of his weaknesses revolve around this transition. The first thing to talk about when it comes to Graham's weak points is his lack of a first step. You would expect a player with Graham's physical characteristics to be able to slash to the basket with ease, but Graham doesn't, unless he is allowed to clear space with his left arm (the source of many of his offensive fouls this year). He isn't able to get by quicker perimeter defenders, and doesn't have that knack for knifing down the lane, unless he's close enough to dunk it. In another weak point related to a lack of perimeter skill, Graham shows very little in the way of ballhandling ability. He rarely puts the ball on the floor and when he does, he will always attempt to go left. When it comes to creating offense, he either shoots the standing perimeter shot, or catches the ball near the basket and floats it in. The ballhandling and first step difficulties sort of compound each other, making it somewhat difficult for him to be a go-too guy on the offensive end. Part of the reason that he may shoot such a high percentage is that he would really struggle if he did decide to start forcing things a bit at the offensive end, and OSU needs a guy to force things at times. For Graham to truly take advantage of his unique athletic ability, he needs to develop his ball skills and driving ability quite a bit more. Finally, if we were talking about a sophomore here, these weaknesses might not be as concerning. Unfortunately, Joey Graham is a 23 year old 5th year senior. I fully expect him to continue developing his guard skills, but how much more can we expect from a prospect already fairly advanced (relatively speaking) in years?

If people were questioning his ability to play the SF coming out of college, how come people still expect him to all of a sudden "get it"
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I wouldnt say hes horrible, hes just not being pt into a situation where he has the opportunity to succeed.

He was a concesus lottery pick before being drafted.
From Draft Express June 13, 2005

Weaknesses
Graham began his career as a PF at Central Florida, before transferring to Oklahoma State for his final two seasons. Despite his athleticism and perimeter shooting, Graham is clearly still a developing wing, and nearly all of his weaknesses revolve around this transition. The first thing to talk about when it comes to Graham's weak points is his lack of a first step. You would expect a player with Graham's physical characteristics to be able to slash to the basket with ease, but Graham doesn't, unless he is allowed to clear space with his left arm (the source of many of his offensive fouls this year). He isn't able to get by quicker perimeter defenders, and doesn't have that knack for knifing down the lane, unless he's close enough to dunk it. In another weak point related to a lack of perimeter skill, Graham shows very little in the way of ballhandling ability. He rarely puts the ball on the floor and when he does, he will always attempt to go left. When it comes to creating offense, he either shoots the standing perimeter shot, or catches the ball near the basket and floats it in. The ballhandling and first step difficulties sort of compound each other, making it somewhat difficult for him to be a go-too guy on the offensive end. Part of the reason that he may shoot such a high percentage is that he would really struggle if he did decide to start forcing things a bit at the offensive end, and OSU needs a guy to force things at times. For Graham to truly take advantage of his unique athletic ability, he needs to develop his ball skills and driving ability quite a bit more. Finally, if we were talking about a sophomore here, these weaknesses might not be as concerning. Unfortunately, Joey Graham is a 23 year old 5th year senior. I fully expect him to continue developing his guard skills, but how much more can we expect from a prospect already fairly advanced (relatively speaking) in years?

If people were questioning his ability to play the SF coming out of college, how come people still expect him to all of a sudden "get it"
All of a sudden? This is his 4th season.He's had opportunities.He's just not very bright.
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Well, to me at least, he seems to lack certain natural instincts of a perimeter player. Sure, some skills could be improved by practice, such as dribbling, but the way his brain works on the floor, the way he makes decisions with the ball all scream to me "power player" rather than a "wing". He IS much more comfortable around the basket than on the perimeter, and I think it's about time our "braintrust" acknowledged this fact.
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Well, to me at least, he seems to lack certain natural instincts of a perimeter player. Sure, some skills could be improved by practice, such as dribbling, but the way his brain works on the floor, the way he makes decisions with the ball all scream to me "power player" rather than a "wing". He IS much more comfortable around the basket than on the perimeter, and I think it's about time our "braintrust" acknowledged this fact.
Well Mike, you and I both see it, so I guess you could say the "Braintrust is"

Seriously, I guarantee the only person who doesnt see it is "the Smitch"
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I was talking more about Colangelo - I've given up on Smitch after his first season here.

I wonder why BC (who hasn't drafted Graham), hasn't moved him yet either.
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I was talking more about Colangelo - I've given up on Smitch after his first season here.

I wonder why BC (who hasn't drafted Graham), hasn't moved him yet either.
And told he he is going to be a piece moving forward.

Mabey BCo is going to interveen ala Bargs and tell Smitch to try something different with him.
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