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Dr. J. Naismith 08-21-2008 11:19 AM

Is JO The Missing Piece To A BC Masterpiece In Toronto?
 
Interesting read from the blog "The Hoop Doctors". :reporter:

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Originally Posted by The Hoops Doctors
After telling you how I disagreed with the thought that Colangelo is attempting to recreate the Phoenix Suns in the East, my thoughts on the current roster make-up of the Raptors now creates a very glaring internal irony for me. If you look fairly closely at the player skill sets and how they play, you will actually notice a pretty strong similarity between the current roster of the Raptors and the make up of the Phoenix Suns. While I used to laugh at the notion that Colangelo would be re-creating an Eastern Conference version of the 2005 Phoenix Suns, he may just have re-created in Toronto a similar style and roster to the 2008-09 Phoenix Suns. Here is a quick look at what i’m thinking:

Center: Jermaine O’Neal, Shaquille O’Neal

Both players have been the subject of criticism that their careers are in decline. However, regardless of how well either one plays in comparison to 4 or 5 years ago, no one will deny they are game changers on defense through intimidation in the paint and strong defensive rebounding abilities.

Power Forward: Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire

Both Bosh and Stoudemire are freaks of nature when it comes to their ability to score in a variety of ways regardless of their size. It is still uncommon to see power forwards put the ball on the floor with such ease, have deep range on their jump shots, and yet still dominate opponents in the post with footwork when a bucket is needed. Both Bosh and Stoudemire not only can create their own shot, but have great hands in traffic when on the receiving end of passes from teammates.

Small Forward: Jamario Moon, Matt Barnes

Jamario moon has made a name for himself in the NBA for being a high flyer. But the real Cinderella story surrounding Moon is predicated on his ability to rebound, hustle, defend, and do whatever else is necessary to help the team win. These skills and attributes of Moon are exactly the reason the Phoenix Suns signed Golden State Warriors forward Matt Barnes. Barnes has coupled his athleticism and speed with a toughness and grit on defense that helps him bring similar traits to the table as Jamario Moon. They both are excellent defenders, shot blockers, and rebounder’s, but the biggest offensive similarity is their ability to hit the open jump shot up to and including 3-pt range.

Shooting Guard: Anthony Parker, Raja Bell

Probably two of the more unsung heroes on their respective squads. These two guys are given the job night in and night out of defending the oppositions top perimeter scorer. How would you like to be in charge of shutting down Kobe Bryant, TMac, Lebron James, or DWade? What amazes me most about these two similar role players, is their ability to still have something in the tank for offense. You rarely see these two guys take “bad shots”, as they have excellent discipline and sweet strokes from the perimeter.

Point Guard: Jose Calderon, Steve Nash

It’s really hard to compare anyone to Steve Nash. Let’s face it, there is nobody like him and there probably never will be. But if someone put a gun to my head and told me to name a player most like Steve Nash, i’d undoubtedly throw out the name Jose Calderon. Both players are amazing passers and ball handlers, but unselfish to a fault. And what is that fault? The fact that these guys are such high percentage shooters for a guard, it makes it almost too bad that they don’t shoot more often. However, both possess a special trait of just somehow knowing when their team needs a scoring spark and then they aren’t shy about getting the job done. Stoudemire and Bosh might be the scoring leaders on their respective teams, but everything on offense starts and finishes with Nash and Calderon.

I don’t presume to know who the eventual starters will be on either squad heading into the new season, and I realize that there are many differences in some of the other players that fill out these rotations like Andrea Bargnani, Grant Hill etc. But the roster similarities are enough to have me admiring the genius of Colangelo and Kerr in building a well rounded squad for success in the ‘New NBA’. This next season or two for the Raptors will determine whether this masterpiece of Colangelo’s will have us all calling him “MiColangelo“.

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Snooch 08-21-2008 11:29 AM

Good read and nice find but I have to disagree on a couple of things.

First off is the AP and Bell comparison.

Bell is younger and more athletic than AP and can keep up to the Kobes, etc wehn playing defense. AP has indeed lost a step in that regard but AP is a much better shooter and passer than Bell.

Jamario is much better on defense than Barnes but Barnes is a better shooter(slightly) for the author to say that either are good shooters is overstating their abitlities a bit.

insight_tor 08-21-2008 11:47 AM

Suns version 2003,2004,2005,2006,2007 was good during regular seasons but they failed in playoffs. BC learns quickly from his mistakes, you need a more balanced team who can focus on defense and offense equally, not only offense!

Kirby 08-21-2008 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SnoochieBoochie (Post 51436)
Good read and nice find but I have to disagree on a couple of things.

First off is the AP and Bell comparison.

Bell is younger and more athletic than AP and can keep up to the Kobes, etc wehn playing defense. AP has indeed lost a step in that regard but AP is a much better shooter and passer than Bell.

Jamario is much better on defense than Barnes but Barnes is a better shooter(slightly) for the author to say that either are good shooters is overstating their abitlities a bit.

Bell cannot keep up with Kobe.

Acie 08-21-2008 12:17 PM


Belsius 08-21-2008 12:17 PM

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Bell cannot keep up with Kobe.

:bored:

this kobe love is getting old

Snooch 08-21-2008 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FlashDWade3 (Post 51443)
Bell cannot keep up with Kobe.

I supose nobody can....

dfunkie1 08-21-2008 12:23 PM

bell makes kobe's life miserable. it's not about stopping them, but taking them out of their game, making them force decisions, and tiring them out. bell does this. he's a pest.

as for the article. it's a vague comparison.

i think we'd make just as valid of a comparison to the hornets, and we're miles away from being there just yet.

Belsius 08-21-2008 12:33 PM

battier

Claudius 08-21-2008 12:51 PM

If anything, I see more comparisons between us and San Antonio then us and Phoenix. Or at least our styles and what we try to do on the defensive end.

Superjudge 08-21-2008 02:45 PM

nothing more funny than wathcing bell smile and Ask Kobe is he was gonna be ok

LX 08-21-2008 03:52 PM

Shaq marked the end of the Suns team that BC put together, so having him in the comparison throws the whole thing off. To me - I find the emphasis on defense to be extremely different over what happened in Phoenix. And the difference would probably point to the relationships with two different coaches.

And before anybody questions the Raptors' emphasis on defense - listen to what has been said in the off-season so far, look at the improvement over the last two seasons, check out the kinds of players that have been acquired, and wait for the season to start. JO is the missing piece to more of a defensive masterpiece than any kind of Suns east kind of team.

MikeToronto 08-21-2008 04:15 PM

I doubt very much that Colangelo would have traded for Shaq.

Kirby 08-21-2008 05:55 PM

There're always haters when you're the best player in the world.

Kirby 08-21-2008 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 51496)
nothing more funny than wathcing bell smile and Ask Kobe is he was gonna be ok

And Bell calls Kobe the arrogant one.

Raja results to cheapshots. What's your point Acie?
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Originally Posted by SnoochieBoochie (Post 51449)
I supose nobody can....

Says who?
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Originally Posted by Belsius (Post 51455)
battier

I'm going to have to agree.

CourtVision 08-21-2008 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TuggleBled (Post 51451)
i think we'd make just as valid of a comparison to the hornets, and we're miles away from being there just yet.

Where are all the Sam Mitchell haters?

Can't believe you guys are missing a chance like this.

Must not be on the ball.

dfunkie1 08-21-2008 06:41 PM

i don't get it?

you think it's coaching keeping us away from being as good as the hornets?

i think it's talent.

but jump away, i rarely listen to what people say about sam. we go thru the same thing with every coach we have. it's all hindsight, and i trust the professionals before i trust the couch quarterbacks.

CourtVision 08-21-2008 06:54 PM

I agree, I think Sam does a solid job coaching. Yet most of the threads I've read here boil down to "Sam doesn't know how to use our guys." As I read the end of your post I excitedly skipped down the page in anticipation of the Mitchell show. Only to discover that it hadn't started yet. So I thought I'd wake people up and get the ball rolling.

Dr. J. Naismith 08-21-2008 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CourtVision (Post 51529)
I agree, I think Sam does a solid job coaching. Yet most of the threads I've read here boil down to "Sam doesn't know how to use our guys." As I read the end of your post I excitedly skipped down the page in anticipation of the Mitchell show. Only to discover that it hadn't started yet. So I thought I'd wake people up and get the ball rolling.

Ah Joshski .... you love the drama don't you? ;)

Snooch 08-22-2008 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FlashDWade3 (Post 51521)



Says who?

You.


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