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Star potential 2 3.57%
Starting-calibre player 11 19.64%
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Old 03-10-2012, 04:19 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Give me some of what your having.
I'm just saying, Chauncey bounced around in his first few seasons in the league too. He showed flashes of what he could do, but it took him until he was almost 26 before he landed in Detroit and found his niche.

Now, I'm not saying Jerryd will be a multiple time All-Star like Chauncey, but I think he can develop into a starting caliber player like Billups in that they both don't possess elite athleticism, but they utilize their high basketball IQ's. He's only 23, some people forget that. This is also his first real big-time minute role on a team. Give him some more burn and we'll see what he can do.

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DK, Chauncey was a big time prospect. He was considered a bust for quite some time. I remember being real excited when Toronto got him from Boston.

Bayless is not cut from the same cloth as him. Sorry.

Also, high basketball IQ? From Bayless? The same guy who thinks when a guy scores on him, he needs to go 1 on 1 to get back at him? He needs a lot of coaching out there on the court.
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Old 03-10-2012, 04:28 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I'm just saying, Chauncey bounced around in his first few seasons in the league too. He showed flashes of what he could do, but it took him until he was almost 26 before he landed in Detroit and found his niche.

Now, I'm not saying Jerryd will be a multiple time All-Star like Chauncey, but I think he can develop into a starting caliber player like Billups in that they both utilize their high basketball IQ's. He's only 23, some people forget that. This is also his first real big-time minute role on a team. Give him some more burn and we'll see what he can do.
It's ok to fall in love with scrubs occasionally.

What are the chances he'll have the career path of Billups? 1 in a 100. Why should we take those chances when we are better off taking chances at guys in the draft? The NBA isn't PG elementary school. Most of the time you either have it or you don't.

And what makes Chauncey so good is his size & strength. Tell me how good Chauncey would have been if he had the body of Bayless?

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Old 03-10-2012, 04:30 PM   #24 (permalink)
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He's a backup point guard at best. Shoot first point guard. If he had more size, would have been a decent SG. With cap space this summer, I wouldn't be surprised if BC overpaid for his services like with A Johnson. I would rather try to trade him for a young point guard to experiment with; i.e.) Eric Bledsoe.
He did not over pay for Amir. Go look @ Drew Gooden's contract that was handed out the same year Amir's was.

Bayless is a good back up. Whether he's here next year or not is irrelevant at this point, as we need an upgrade at the position, and he's not it.
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DK, Chauncey was a big time prospect. He was considered a bust for quite some time. I remember being real excited when Toronto got him from Boston.

Bayless is not cut from the same cloth as him. Sorry.

Also, high basketball IQ? From Bayless? The same guy who thinks when a guy scores on him, he needs to go 1 on 1 to get back at him? He needs a lot of coaching out there on the court.
Bayless was a McDonalds All-American and was ranked as the 9th highest overall recruit in the COUNTRY coming out of high school, while some considered him to be one of the best point guards him his class.

If they weren't cut from the same cloth, they were definitely made from the same manufacturer...
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Lol anyone who says Bayless has high ball IQ has lost all credibiity. I couldn't even make that up if I wanted.
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Old 03-10-2012, 04:47 PM   #27 (permalink)
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It's ok to fall in love with scrubs occasionally.
Scrubs. The most overused and misused word here on RF. Bayless contributes to this team, not a scrub.

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What are the chances he'll have the career path of Billups? 1 in a 100.
Where are you getting those numbers?

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Why should we take those chances when we are better off taking chances at guys in the draft? The NBA isn't PG elementary school. Most of the time you either have it or you don't.
How many times does a guy jump on the scene and instantly transforms into the point guard of the future? You can't expect every player to be a Jeremy Lin. There is a learning curve involved, especially for one of the toughest positions in the game.

I nothing against drafting another point guard, I'm just saying we haven't seen enough of a healthy Bayless to make judgements on.

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And what makes Chauncey so good is his size & strength. Tell me how good Chauncey would have been if he had the body of Bayless?
Chauncey Billups = 6'3'' 210 pounds.

Jerryd Bayless = 6'3'' 200 pounds.
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Scrubs. The most overused and misused word here on RF. Bayless contributes to this team, not a scrub.



Where are you getting those numbers?



How many times does a guy jump on the scene and instantly transforms into the point guard of the future? You can't expect every player to be a Jeremy Lin. There is a learning curve involved, especially for one of the toughest positions in the game.

I nothing against drafting another point guard, I'm just saying we haven't seen enough of a healthy Bayless to make judgements on.



Chauncey Billups = 6'3'' 210 pounds.

Jerryd Bayless = 6'3'' 200 pounds.
We have seen enough of Bayless to make a clear cut judgment.

Inefficient ball hog who can't play in a system where he isn't the focal point on offense.

Can't handle ball pressure, shaky handle. Dragic was continualy picking his pockets the other night.

There is a legitimate size difference between Bayless and Billups. You can just notice that Billups is way bigger size wise on the court.

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"He did not over pay for Amir. Go look @ Drew Gooden's contract that was handed out the same year Amir's was."

Yes, he did overpay for Amir. 5 years at an average salary of 6.8 is overpaid for someone who just came off a sub-par season. Gooden was close to a double double player at that time. I could make the same argument and say look at Udonis Haslem contract 5 years at 20 million, but he obviously he took a paycut to play with the Heat. Having both Amir and Ed is a bit redundant; I would look to move the former.
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We have seen enough of Bayless to make a clear cut judgment.
On and off injured while adjusting to a new coaching system with a short leash? I don't think that's quite enough for me. He's still got some time to prove himself to me.

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Inefficient ball hog who can't play in a system where he isn't the focal point on offense.

Can't handle ball pressure, shaky handle. Dragic was continualy picking his pockets the other night.
Are you describing Jerryd or DeMar?

Bayless was a shooting guard coming out of high school. It was in Arizona when he started playing big-time minutes at the point guard spot.

He is still learning how to be an effective point guard in the NBA, I don't doubt that. He needs to learn how to get his teammates more involved, when to push the ball and when to slow it down etc...

The important thing is that he works hard and is willing to learn.

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There is a legitimate size difference between Bayless and Billups. You can just notice that Billups is way bigger size wise on the court.
Not following you here. Is 10 pounds really that much of a difference?
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Old 03-10-2012, 05:40 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I voted back-up PG, but even that is a bit generous.
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On and off injured while adjusting to a new coaching system with a short leash? I don't think that's quite enough for me. He's still got some time to prove himself to me.

"new coaching system" and "short leash"? A better description would be "consistently out-performed by Jose Calderon, and thus, fewer minutes played". Also, I don't buy the whole injury argument, hear it far too much. I mean he barely plays, is his ankle really hurt that bad? I'm pretty sure if it was THAT much of a problem there would be some surgery performed or at least considered.

Are you describing Jerryd or DeMar?

Bayless was a shooting guard coming out of high school. It was in Arizona when he started playing big-time minutes at the point guard spot.

He is still learning how to be an effective point guard in the NBA, I don't doubt that. He needs to learn how to get his teammates more involved, when to push the ball and when to slow it down etc...

The important thing is that he works hard and is willing to learn.

If you compare this season to his last, there has been absolutely no progress made. His decision making, among other things, is quite awful.


Not following you here. Is 10 pounds really that much of a difference?
Bayless's vertical brings him down to the average "6-1" PG. Now that matters.
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I think the decision making stems from Jerryd wanting to prove himself to his coach and his team. He's going to fast, which is where the turnovers are coming from. He's trying to will his team to victory by himself while sometimes forgetting his role as a facilitator first.

He's just got to slow himself down mentally, and the rest will come. He's a smart guy, he's just trying to do too much.
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Old 03-10-2012, 05:59 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I'm too lazy to look it up, but do you know what the team's record is when he's starting a game? What the opp FG% is?
Considering it was last year, it doesn't look too good, but the same thing can be said about DD who also had good #s last year.

Regardless though he still put up those stats, and the FG% is decent and could be a lot worse. He didn't jack up shots. He got his teammates involved. He got to the line. His TO/game were on pace with his games as a reserve. his FG% was better as a starter. He actually ended up being a better distributor when more mins were given. He should've been on pace for 6.0 apg but ended up with 6.7 apg.

Also, I keep hearing Dragic did this, Dragic did that, etc. Jerryd can penetrate opposing teams' D, something that Jose doesn't do because he can't or because he doesn't want to. Either way, he doesn't do it. Opposing PGs give Jose space all time, it's due to the fact that they know he won't try to penetrate the D.

Also, I don't think people should call Jerryd a: SG in a PG's body, score first guy, a selfish player, etc. AND THEN bring up someone like Jennings and how his awesome "team play" would help the raps.
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Old 03-10-2012, 06:08 PM   #36 (permalink)
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backup PG, compared to a meh, an athletic jarret jack? lol
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backup PG, compared to a meh, an athletic jarret jack? lol
Bayless is Jarret Jack.
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To be honest, I think New Orleans fleeced us in that deal. I'd have Jarrett Jack back for Bayless in a heartbeat.
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It was done to save $ + because there were no takers for Jose. I thought this was obvious.
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i put backup point guard.
but really he need to understand his role, and maybe if so, he can be one of the best backup pg. because of his capacity to return a game, like barbosa. if we don't keep barbosa next season, we should took a look at bayless for a backup sg.
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